From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.

chrismayla6@zirk.us

I'd be interested if followers of these posts in the US think the same or whether the media's distorting mirror is deceiving us about the gravity of the situation...

(Civil) analysis & contextual answers boosted & thanks in advance for sharing.

#USPol #Trump #InsurectionAct

felix_eckhardt@det.social

@ChrisMayLA6 Same impression here. Sad but true.

harriettmb@toot.wales

@ChrisMayLA6 Those opposing ICE and such have not moved to violence…..yet. They have been using peaceful means like whistles, noise, recording and exposing who and where ICE are. But I think ICE are escalating, regardless. Their brutality has the backing of Noem, Homan, Millar and such. Laws and boundaries are being ignored. Republican political unease is being ignored. Trump and his administration are pushing for an autocracy/despot regime. If it goes to Civil War it will be very very bad.

sonjdol@ohai.social

@ChrisMayLA6 it's been looking that way for a few months

senchawizard@mstdn.social

@ChrisMayLA6 you got it spot on

d_a_n_a@mstdn.social

@ChrisMayLA6 The situation is indeed grave, and the gravity of it is being minimized by much of the major US media (NYT, WP, etc.). The Trump administration can fairly be called "lawless." Its representatives basically claim now that might makes right.

There is resistance, some of it organized, regional, and it is peaceful, so far. We know that violent resistance only would be used as a pretext by the regime.

Foreign countries should isolate and boycott the US.

#uspol

lukeryanps@toot.community

@ChrisMayLA6 The media distortion is very real. US will self-correct in the next election cycle, but my primary fear is that China and Russia will not let this opportunity slip away. The US/world has never been more vulnerable. I think the Taiwan and Baltic escalations will be after the US elections, like in late November or December. NATO will be sans US by then, but Europe can handle Russia.

stevefelten@mastodon.online

@ChrisMayLA6 We fear there is little chance of fair elections in the future. There is no organized opposition. Protests are fine but we need to be armed and trained and cannot rely on the media.

bette@mstdn.social

@ChrisMayLA6

Good to know that somebody's media are talking about this. Ours doesn't, unless it's trump/ice-positive. Is it as bad here as they say? Yes. Violence and kidnaping are being normalized. Most of the people in this country either support our present state, or have NO idea about what's been going on for the last 10 years (yes, I count the first term).

I never thought I would welcome aging, but not a day goes by that I think "Damn, I'm glad I'm old."

mattrog@mastodon.me.uk

@ChrisMayLA6 since he came to power this time I have been sure that by the end of his term they would be at war and he would pause the elections until it was "resolved".
"I'm just doing what Ukraine did and you all supported that .. "

econproph@mastodon.social

@ChrisMayLA6
The situation is, if anything, worse and more serious in many places than indicated by media. However, I would caution ppl not to use a "slipping toward civil war" framing in their mind to understand things.

US is a very, very large place. Conditions are heterogenous. You read/hear about the worst places.
More encouraging trends are harder to see.
This is something different than "civil war". Thinking it is will only blind ppl to the full dynamics and processes happening.

chrismayla6@zirk.us

@lukeryanps

I'm interested in the idea of self-correction - from here it looks like the forces with & behind Trump are seeking to ensure such a self-correction is not possible.... are you saying that is a misapprehension?

crazybutable@mastodon.social

@ChrisMayLA6 @etchedpixels as someone living in Minneapolis it feels very precarious. It’s pretty obvious that the federal government came in, expected to do a little police brutality, the population would erupt in protests and then that would give them pretext to federally take over the state.

The gravity and trauma of the situation is very unevenly distributed. Some neighborhoods are getting hit continually, others not at all.

chrismayla6@zirk.us

@econproph

Yes I wondered about that - its it limited to a smallish number of areas... but on the other hand what's to stop it spreading?

guardeddon@mas.to

@d_a_n_a @ChrisMayLA6
What encouragement would be necessary for, say, California to secede?

anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse

@ChrisMayLA6 To have a civil war, you'd have to have government bodies willing to fight the Nazis. That is not happening, nor is it realistic.

An uprising? Well we might be headed towards that hella fast. But it ain't gonna be a "Civil War" because the lib establishment will surrender before they start shooting.

curiousmagpie@beige.party

@ChrisMayLA6 The situation is indeed very grave however a civil war, an organized civil war, is unlikely.

* We are spread out both geographically and in terms of common, binding values.
* We are heavily sedated both medically and recreationally.
* Finally, the people who are out on the streets are - for the most part - dedicated to some form of the principles of non-violence. We are not committed to, nor do we take pleasure in, vicious acts of violence and control - unlike ICE and those who hold and loose their leashes.

Of course, I don't have a crystal ball to see the future and how this will ultimately play out. I have my hopes for a positive outcome but in the meantime there's a lot of suffering.
#uspol
#ice #civilwar

evelinesulman@akademienl.social

@Mattrog @ChrisMayLA6 that's my fear too

tadbithuman@mastodon.social

@AnarchoNinaWrites @ChrisMayLA6 worse, they might decry the violence of self defence, as they are wont to do.

2legged@mastodon.ie

@HarriettMB The USA has been in a persistent civil war since a century before its foundation. Mostly against non-white people, but also against working class people.

It is labelled as a "civil war" only when the endemic war on non-white America and poor America is turned onto chunks of white middle-class America.

But don't let the colonist labels deceive. This is not the start of the American civil war. This is just an intensification of one front of the continuous civil war.

@ChrisMayLA6

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From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.