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  • pattyhanson@mastodon.socialP pattyhanson@mastodon.social

    @raymaccarthy @infobeautiful @ourworldindata If you're in Russia, it's from falling out of windows.

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    #10

    @PattyHanson @raymaccarthy @infobeautiful @ourworldindata in the US it's probably from incompetent gun handling. And similar incompetent use of cars.

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    • pattyhanson@mastodon.socialP pattyhanson@mastodon.social

      @infobeautiful @ourworldindata Does the media really expect us to believe that 18% of deaths in the United States are the result of terrorism? Seriously?

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      #11

      @PattyHanson @infobeautiful @ourworldindata that's not exactly what the graph is about. The media isn't claiming that 18% of deaths are terrorism. Instead, reporting about terrorism deaths makes up about 18% of all reporting on deaths. In other words, the media *talks* a lot about terrorism deaths, but it doesn't *claim* that those deaths make up 18% of the total.

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      • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
        So:
        Eat too much.
        Don't exercise enough.
        Too much ultra processed food, chemicals and pesticides.

        What are the causes of the 7.8% Accidents?
        How much on the road, power tools, weapons or other?

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        #12

        @raymaccarthy @infobeautiful @ourworldindata "accidents" are overwhelmingly car crashes but shhhh

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        • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

          @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
          So:
          Eat too much.
          Don't exercise enough.
          Too much ultra processed food, chemicals and pesticides.

          What are the causes of the 7.8% Accidents?
          How much on the road, power tools, weapons or other?

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          #13

          @raymaccarthy @infobeautiful @ourworldindata actually, all of these issues can be boiled down to lack of health care, overwork, economic precarity, environmental hazards out of our control, and a society that's pretty much abandoned disabled and chronically ill people to die.

          stop blaming individual choices, start blaming institutions

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          • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

            What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

            by @ourworldindata

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            #14

            @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

            Wonderful. "Draw me a picture of NYTimes propaganda"

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            • pizzademon@mastodon.onlineP pizzademon@mastodon.online

              @infobeautiful @ourworldindata why is COVID 2.2% listed below suicide 2.1% ?

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              #15

              @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

              i don't know but i would say that some of those COVID deaths should be classified as homicide or suicide

              people who died of COVID who did everything right but were betrayed by a MAGA moron who introduced the disease into their life and killed them

              and MAGA morons who essentially committed suicide by COVID because they took no precautions and imagined their prideful ignorance was a magic shield, or just didn't care if they died

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                i don't know but i would say that some of those COVID deaths should be classified as homicide or suicide

                people who died of COVID who did everything right but were betrayed by a MAGA moron who introduced the disease into their life and killed them

                and MAGA morons who essentially committed suicide by COVID because they took no precautions and imagined their prideful ignorance was a magic shield, or just didn't care if they died

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                #16

                @benroyce @infobeautiful @ourworldindata it would take a magical level of re-observation, but a fair chunk of covid, accidents, and others could be reclassified as "recklessness".

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                • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                  What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                  by @ourworldindata

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                  #17

                  @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                  does the NYT mostly mirror other outlets that most people get their news from? living near Chicago, I mostly hear about crime from other sources.

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                  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                    What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

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                    #18

                    @infobeautiful @ourworldindata I get what this is saying, but isnt this the old "man bites dog" issue?
                    Of course the media will report sensational, extraordinary things. This is what people want to hear about.
                    It's also easier when there are clear villains and victims, and not something abstract like economic forces, infrastructure, or lifestyle.

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                    • D drorbedrack@mastodon.social

                      @infobeautiful @ourworldindata I get what this is saying, but isnt this the old "man bites dog" issue?
                      Of course the media will report sensational, extraordinary things. This is what people want to hear about.
                      It's also easier when there are clear villains and victims, and not something abstract like economic forces, infrastructure, or lifestyle.

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                      #19

                      @DrorBedrack @infobeautiful @ourworldindata I was going to say the same thing. The top 9 bars on the left could all be called "natural causes," or even "old age" if they happen late enough, and add up to over 90%. It's not exactly newsworthy.

                      But then, I think the problem is that the sensationalism leads to people being easily manipulated by bad actors who use the fears of extreme events to drum up support for harmful policies. If anything, this strikes me as an indictment of for-profit news companies, especially when they're owned by people who benefit from harmful policies.

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                      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                        What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                        by @ourworldindata

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                        #20

                        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata The reporting possibly depends on who the problems affected?

                        My mom dying of cancer vs anyone who might normally be in the news.

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                        • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                          What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                          by @ourworldindata

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                          #21

                          @infobeautiful @ourworldindata That's the press for you - all sensation and zero truth - or - "keep the peasants distracted while we rob them'...

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                          • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                            What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                            by @ourworldindata

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                            #22

                            @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                            Sensation sells…

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                            • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                              What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                              by @ourworldindata

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                              #23

                              @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
                              Of course! And besides the terrorism and homicides the only time the media reports cancer, overdoses, heart disease, etc., is when it happens to a celebrity or other well known person.

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                              • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                by @ourworldindata

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                                #24

                                The data is from 2023, which was during Biden. With the pressure of the #Trump administration in 2025, I imagine the current data to be even more divergent. 🌸

                                @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                                • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                  What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                  by @ourworldindata

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                                  #25

                                  Graphs of media vs clinical morbidity & mortality tables always fascinate me.

                                  When someone is banging on about "the southern border" and all these other dire threats, and you ask them to list the top ten things they think will put them in the hospital or grave, they almost always list murder in the top three, and the rest of the list is a hodge-podge of silliness.

                                  When you show them for THEIR ethnicity, gender, and age group what actually does, they waffle

                                  @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                                  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                    What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

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                                    #26

                                    @infobeautiful @ourworldindata the media is only reporting, “if it bleeds it leads”.

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                                    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                      What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                      by @ourworldindata

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                                      #27

                                      @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                      Better be prepared for MAHA and the anti-vaxxers to warp coverage even further from reality.

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                                      • mloxton@med-mastodon.comM mloxton@med-mastodon.com

                                        Graphs of media vs clinical morbidity & mortality tables always fascinate me.

                                        When someone is banging on about "the southern border" and all these other dire threats, and you ask them to list the top ten things they think will put them in the hospital or grave, they almost always list murder in the top three, and the rest of the list is a hodge-podge of silliness.

                                        When you show them for THEIR ethnicity, gender, and age group what actually does, they waffle

                                        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                                        #28

                                        @mloxton @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                        Yes, I've had this exact conversation multiple times. Feel like I am talking to cultists after a while.

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                          i don't know but i would say that some of those COVID deaths should be classified as homicide or suicide

                                          people who died of COVID who did everything right but were betrayed by a MAGA moron who introduced the disease into their life and killed them

                                          and MAGA morons who essentially committed suicide by COVID because they took no precautions and imagined their prideful ignorance was a magic shield, or just didn't care if they died

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                                          #29

                                          @benroyce
                                          They certainly put their bodies and those of their families at risk for the sake of loyalty.

                                          @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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