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  • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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    #46
    @lokeloski So what I'm getting from that post is "generative AI is like an indian, but it takes a lot of electricity instead of shitting on the street"
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    • distractal@hachyderm.ioD distractal@hachyderm.io

      @lokeloski Really kind of gets back to cultural acceptance of the idea of "unskilled labor", labor as just something that can be swapped out and dehumanized, merely a resource, a tool, not a high-context manifestation of human effort.

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      #47

      @distractal @lokeloski we need to call CEO-level jobs unskilled labor for precisely the reasons you just listed.

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      • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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        #48

        @lokeloski my biggest takeaway from this is that YOU CAN BE A COMICS PROFESSOR?!?!!?!?

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        • mynameistillian@plush.cityM mynameistillian@plush.city

          @lokeloski the lack of artist solidarity stings here...those people think everyone else but them can be replaced by an LLM...foolish creatures

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          #49

          @mynameistillian @lokeloski ah, I see it now: *this* is at the root of why mandated AI use is so corrosive. Someone up the heirarchy, not understanding the complexity of the work of their subordinates, thinks they are replaceable by the machine. Hmm. I need to think on this.

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          • philwill@aus.socialP philwill@aus.social

            @ratsnakegames @lokeloski
            Absolutely, what we do not know intimately we make assumptions about...
            They 'just' do their thing, how could it possibly be as important, complex and difficult as the work that I am doing?

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            #50

            @PhilWill @ratsnakegames @lokeloski

            ah, I see it now: *this* is at the root of why mandated AI use is so corrosive. Someone up the heirarchy, not understanding the complexity of the work of their subordinates, declares they are replaceable by the machine.

            Hmm. I need to think on this.

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            • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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              #51

              @lokeloski In both cases it sounds like the advice is that you can't use it for things that you are going to be marked on - the justification given is of course, wrong.

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              • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                #52

                @lokeloski "It's only ever the jobs we're unfamiliar with that we assume can be replaced with automation."

                Yup. And I only ever hear *bosses* say that *everybody* can be replaced by automation.

                You may now draw your own conclusions.

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                • ratsnakegames@mastodon.socialR ratsnakegames@mastodon.social

                  @lokeloski the subtext here is also that at least some artists do not consider other artistic fields "real" art

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                  #53

                  @ratsnakegames this right here ☝️
                  @lokeloski

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    @geeeero @lokeloski important to note the Gell-Mann effect is made up trash. It's literally something Crichton said once. So imagine how cognitive psychologists feel about it.

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                    #54

                    @davidgerard ironically I really thought Crichton was smart until he wrote a book around my own field of expertise.
                    @geeeero @lokeloski

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                    • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                      #55

                      @lokeloski There is a sense where, in an academic environment, using AI for those parts that are not central to ones study might be justified.

                      So, if you are doing comics, learning how to draw stories, maybe using something else for the storywriting is viable.

                      Obviously, not in the real world. In the real world, generative AI is of no use whatsoever.

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                      • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                        #56

                        @lokeloski People perennially underestimate the difficulty of any type of work other than the type they do themselves.

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                        • mathieugenois@fediscience.orgM mathieugenois@fediscience.org

                          @gkrnours
                          Some mathematicians are also on this "let's automatize our own job" path…
                          @lokeloski

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                          #57

                          @mathieugenois

                          Terry Tao?

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            @geeeero @lokeloski important to note the Gell-Mann effect is made up trash. It's literally something Crichton said once. So imagine how cognitive psychologists feel about it.

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                            #58

                            @davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski could you elaborate on it, or provide some sources? Cause at first glance it honestly feels pretty accurate? Like I've even felt myself slip into this, and I only learned there's a name for it just now 😅

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                            • hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH hazelnot@sunbeam.city

                              @davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski could you elaborate on it, or provide some sources? Cause at first glance it honestly feels pretty accurate? Like I've even felt myself slip into this, and I only learned there's a name for it just now 😅

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                              #59

                              @hazelnot @geeeero @lokeloski well, the linked Wikipedia article for one. If you're demanding I go prove a negative for you, i mean, you could go look yourself.

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                              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                @hazelnot @geeeero @lokeloski well, the linked Wikipedia article for one. If you're demanding I go prove a negative for you, i mean, you could go look yourself.

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                                #60

                                @davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski I'm not *demanding* anything, I was just asking 💀

                                I read the Wikipedia article and it didn't seem like trash to me, it says it hasn't been formally recognised but that it's "gained traction in critical thinking and media literacy discussions"

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                                • deborahh@cosocial.caD deborahh@cosocial.ca

                                  @mynameistillian @lokeloski ah, I see it now: *this* is at the root of why mandated AI use is so corrosive. Someone up the heirarchy, not understanding the complexity of the work of their subordinates, thinks they are replaceable by the machine. Hmm. I need to think on this.

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                                  #61

                                  @deborahh @mynameistillian @lokeloski

                                  The machine can not replace the human.
                                  The machine will be used to replace the human.

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                                  • hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH hazelnot@sunbeam.city

                                    @davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski I'm not *demanding* anything, I was just asking 💀

                                    I read the Wikipedia article and it didn't seem like trash to me, it says it hasn't been formally recognised but that it's "gained traction in critical thinking and media literacy discussions"

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                                    #62

                                    @hazelnot @geeeero @lokeloski and it cites a total of one thing

                                    hence the notability tag

                                    i put a note on the talk page that this is based on almost nothing except a vastly overlength quote and the few sentences in the crichton article do exactly the same job

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                                    • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                                      #63

                                      @lokeloski Found the link https://catmask.tumblr.com/post/805377916247621632

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                                      • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                                        #64

                                        @lokeloski
                                        We all take pride in our work but the reality is that most of it is meaningless. Sure we can do a better job in context than AI, but jobs are not about efficiency, but about power. And the only one more powerless than an employed person is a person looking for work. Which is why the powerful love AI. It seems to have an added benefit in being capable of sowing division.

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                                        • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                                          #65
                                          @lokeloski because "Gen" really means not only "generative", but also "generic". So, it can only truly replace generalists, but not specialists.
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