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I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

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  • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

    Finnish universities 1996:

    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

    Finnish universities 2026:

    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

    Learned helplessness.

    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

    eivind@fribygda.noE This user is from outside of this forum
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    #2

    @anttipeltola Does it perhaps have something to do with the takeover of the managerial class, the HR people and the Professional Communicators, or has that not happened in Finland?

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    • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

      Finnish universities 1996:

      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

      Finnish universities 2026:

      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

      Learned helplessness.

      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

      funambolo@mastodon.worldF This user is from outside of this forum
      funambolo@mastodon.worldF This user is from outside of this forum
      funambolo@mastodon.world
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      #3

      @anttipeltola exactly. It is also absurd how the public sector believes it is ok to pay hundreds of millions of euros to U.S. companies instead of probably spending a fraction of that money build their own solution based on existing open source code and open standard.

      uint8_t@chaos.socialU humanhorseshoes@mastodon.worldH 2 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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      • funambolo@mastodon.worldF funambolo@mastodon.world

        @anttipeltola exactly. It is also absurd how the public sector believes it is ok to pay hundreds of millions of euros to U.S. companies instead of probably spending a fraction of that money build their own solution based on existing open source code and open standard.

        uint8_t@chaos.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        @funambolo @anttipeltola „it’s not that simple! if it was so simple then why would they charge so much money for it??“ 😒

        rytmis@hachyderm.ioR mellivora@im-in.spaceM 2 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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        • uint8_t@chaos.socialU uint8_t@chaos.social

          @funambolo @anttipeltola „it’s not that simple! if it was so simple then why would they charge so much money for it??“ 😒

          rytmis@hachyderm.ioR This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @uint8_t @funambolo @anttipeltola

          Yeah, it’s not like WhatsApp is built on a foundation of open standards and free software or anything like that. *side-eyes at ejabberd*

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          • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

            Finnish universities 1996:

            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

            Finnish universities 2026:

            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

            Learned helplessness.

            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

            frederik@ohai.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
            frederik@ohai.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
            frederik@ohai.social
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            #6

            @anttipeltola @ucas

            Here's a similar toot with some good takes on the situation (though not specifically aimed towards Finland):

            https://hsnl.social/@eloy/116003176888188762

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            • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

              I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

              Finnish universities 1996:

              "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

              Finnish universities 2026:

              "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

              Learned helplessness.

              #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

              nini@oldbytes.spaceN This user is from outside of this forum
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              nini@oldbytes.space
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              #7

              @anttipeltola I'm guessing in the intervening 30 years the MBA set came in and stripped all that "thinking" nonsense because it wasn't profitable and you could outsource it for cheap. It's not only learned helplessness, it's decimating institutional knowledge because some beancounters thought it cost too much to maintain it, happens frequently with many social pillars that are hollowed out by capitalists.

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              • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                Finnish universities 1996:

                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                Finnish universities 2026:

                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                Learned helplessness.

                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                kongakong@masto.aiK This user is from outside of this forum
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                kongakong@masto.ai
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                #8

                @anttipeltola

                Creating a successful Facebook replacement has little to do with underlying technology or university education system. Success depends far more on access to deep, liquid capital markets and a large domestic market that can serve as a launching pad for international growth.

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                • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                  Finnish universities 1996:

                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                  Finnish universities 2026:

                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                  Learned helplessness.

                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                  backfromthedud@mas.toB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  @anttipeltola sounds like complacency and laziness to me, but I am lazy and complacent.

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                  • uint8_t@chaos.socialU uint8_t@chaos.social

                    @funambolo @anttipeltola „it’s not that simple! if it was so simple then why would they charge so much money for it??“ 😒

                    mellivora@im-in.spaceM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #10

                    @uint8_t most of these services are overcharged for what you get and they are built on top of free labor. @funambolo @anttipeltola

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                    • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                      Finnish universities 1996:

                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                      Finnish universities 2026:

                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                      Learned helplessness.

                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                      geliga@mastodon.worldG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      geliga@mastodon.world
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                      #11

                      @anttipeltola come on Europe, I believe you can do that.

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                      • mellivora@im-in.spaceM mellivora@im-in.space

                        @uint8_t most of these services are overcharged for what you get and they are built on top of free labor. @funambolo @anttipeltola

                        anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                        The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour while making huge profits out of enshittification and calling themselves "innovators".

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                        • funambolo@mastodon.worldF funambolo@mastodon.world

                          @anttipeltola exactly. It is also absurd how the public sector believes it is ok to pay hundreds of millions of euros to U.S. companies instead of probably spending a fraction of that money build their own solution based on existing open source code and open standard.

                          humanhorseshoes@mastodon.worldH This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #13

                          @funambolo @anttipeltola in many cases totally illegally and in ignorance of EU privacy laws

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                          • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                            Finnish universities 1996:

                            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                            Finnish universities 2026:

                            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                            Learned helplessness.

                            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                            openfactory@peering.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                            openfactory@peering.social
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                            #14

                            @anttipeltola not just Finland. I'd say most of europe?

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