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Problem: LLMs can't defend against prompt injection.

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  • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

    Problem: LLMs can't defend against prompt injection.

    Solution: A specialized filtering model that detects prompt injections.

    Problem: That too is susceptible to bypass and prompt injection.

    Solution: We reduce the set of acceptable instructions to a more predictable space and filter out anything that doesn't match.

    Problem: If you over-specialize, the LLM won't understand the instructions.

    Solution: We define a domain-specific language in the system prompt, with all allowable commands and parameters. Anything else is ignored.

    Problem: We just reinvented the CLI.

    bluegreenandfree@mastodon.energyB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #7

    @mttaggart That will make sure nobody uses it! Problem solved.

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    • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

      What are we doing with our time on this earth

      https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/claude-cowork-exfiltrates-files
      https://www.varonis.com/blog/reprompt

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      #8

      @mttaggart Man, I'm old enough to remember when computers did exactly what you told them to do, and you didn't have to grovel. (You *did* have to learn something like C or BASIC, but that's more like consensual masochism.)

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      • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

        Problem: LLMs can't defend against prompt injection.

        Solution: A specialized filtering model that detects prompt injections.

        Problem: That too is susceptible to bypass and prompt injection.

        Solution: We reduce the set of acceptable instructions to a more predictable space and filter out anything that doesn't match.

        Problem: If you over-specialize, the LLM won't understand the instructions.

        Solution: We define a domain-specific language in the system prompt, with all allowable commands and parameters. Anything else is ignored.

        Problem: We just reinvented the CLI.

        proton_xor@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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        #9

        @mttaggart muahahaha

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        • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

          What are we doing with our time on this earth

          https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/claude-cowork-exfiltrates-files
          https://www.varonis.com/blog/reprompt

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          #10

          @mttaggart it's 2026 and we're still doing "users don't know what a text editor is" exploits, now powered by like 100x more fossil fuels 🤷

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          • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

            Problem: LLMs can't defend against prompt injection.

            Solution: A specialized filtering model that detects prompt injections.

            Problem: That too is susceptible to bypass and prompt injection.

            Solution: We reduce the set of acceptable instructions to a more predictable space and filter out anything that doesn't match.

            Problem: If you over-specialize, the LLM won't understand the instructions.

            Solution: We define a domain-specific language in the system prompt, with all allowable commands and parameters. Anything else is ignored.

            Problem: We just reinvented the CLI.

            valthonis@dice.campV This user is from outside of this forum
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            #11

            @mttaggart Almost like treating *any* technology as though it were a panacea leads to a lot of wasted effort duplicating what's already possible But Now WIth New.

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            • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

              What are we doing with our time on this earth

              https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/claude-cowork-exfiltrates-files
              https://www.varonis.com/blog/reprompt

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              #12

              @mttaggart Somebody needs to create a big Excel file and write down all the measurable costs this "AI" bullshit has created, and compare that to the actually measurable and objective positive effects (OpenAI being valued at one trillion dollars does NOT count).

              I have a feeling the net result will be a very big number with a very big minus sign in front.

              And then make a list of things we as a society could have done with that.

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              • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

                Problem: LLMs can't defend against prompt injection.

                Solution: A specialized filtering model that detects prompt injections.

                Problem: That too is susceptible to bypass and prompt injection.

                Solution: We reduce the set of acceptable instructions to a more predictable space and filter out anything that doesn't match.

                Problem: If you over-specialize, the LLM won't understand the instructions.

                Solution: We define a domain-specific language in the system prompt, with all allowable commands and parameters. Anything else is ignored.

                Problem: We just reinvented the CLI.

                huynhjl@infosec.exchangeH This user is from outside of this forum
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                #13

                @mttaggart Keeping data and code separate, that is good secure design. The thing with an LLM is that there is no code. It's all data. You give it data, and it gives you back more data. You give it code? It turns out into data and give you more data. You can't turn it back into code. I don't think you can fix that.

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                • valthonis@dice.campV valthonis@dice.camp

                  @mttaggart Almost like treating *any* technology as though it were a panacea leads to a lot of wasted effort duplicating what's already possible But Now WIth New.

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                  #14

                  @valthonis @mttaggart As my father used to say: newer is only better if it's better.

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                  • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

                    Problem: LLMs can't defend against prompt injection.

                    Solution: A specialized filtering model that detects prompt injections.

                    Problem: That too is susceptible to bypass and prompt injection.

                    Solution: We reduce the set of acceptable instructions to a more predictable space and filter out anything that doesn't match.

                    Problem: If you over-specialize, the LLM won't understand the instructions.

                    Solution: We define a domain-specific language in the system prompt, with all allowable commands and parameters. Anything else is ignored.

                    Problem: We just reinvented the CLI.

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                    #15

                    @mttaggart this is like how billionaires keep accidentally reinventing trains

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                    • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

                      Problem: LLMs can't defend against prompt injection.

                      Solution: A specialized filtering model that detects prompt injections.

                      Problem: That too is susceptible to bypass and prompt injection.

                      Solution: We reduce the set of acceptable instructions to a more predictable space and filter out anything that doesn't match.

                      Problem: If you over-specialize, the LLM won't understand the instructions.

                      Solution: We define a domain-specific language in the system prompt, with all allowable commands and parameters. Anything else is ignored.

                      Problem: We just reinvented the CLI.

                      sjaveed@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #16

                      @mttaggart no, no, it's more like a magic spell. But then, so is the stuff I type at the bash prompt. Come to think of it, I do feel like a sorcerer!

                      I put on my robe and wizard hat...

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                      • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

                        @mttaggart Somebody needs to create a big Excel file and write down all the measurable costs this "AI" bullshit has created, and compare that to the actually measurable and objective positive effects (OpenAI being valued at one trillion dollars does NOT count).

                        I have a feeling the net result will be a very big number with a very big minus sign in front.

                        And then make a list of things we as a society could have done with that.

                        fcalva@cyberplace.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #17

                        @thechris @mttaggart Globally, i heard figures of around 50B USD. With 500B to come from the Trump ai plan. In total that's more than twice the Apollo program, adjusted for inflation.

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                        • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

                          Problem: LLMs can't defend against prompt injection.

                          Solution: A specialized filtering model that detects prompt injections.

                          Problem: That too is susceptible to bypass and prompt injection.

                          Solution: We reduce the set of acceptable instructions to a more predictable space and filter out anything that doesn't match.

                          Problem: If you over-specialize, the LLM won't understand the instructions.

                          Solution: We define a domain-specific language in the system prompt, with all allowable commands and parameters. Anything else is ignored.

                          Problem: We just reinvented the CLI.

                          zappes@mastodon.onlineZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #18

                          @mttaggart When I was in college learning computer science, we were tought that some briliant British boffin had found out that a program can't really find out if another program is fine, to put it in the broadest simplified terms. I wonder if somebody bothered telling that to those AI wankers.

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                          • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

                            Problem: LLMs can't defend against prompt injection.

                            Solution: A specialized filtering model that detects prompt injections.

                            Problem: That too is susceptible to bypass and prompt injection.

                            Solution: We reduce the set of acceptable instructions to a more predictable space and filter out anything that doesn't match.

                            Problem: If you over-specialize, the LLM won't understand the instructions.

                            Solution: We define a domain-specific language in the system prompt, with all allowable commands and parameters. Anything else is ignored.

                            Problem: We just reinvented the CLI.

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                            #19

                            @mttaggart

                            Me 10 years ago: OMG AI will be incredible, it will be like in sci-fi, I want this

                            Now: pls, I just want to CLI

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