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The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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  • schmittlauch@toot.matereal.euS schmittlauch@toot.matereal.eu

    @thor Almost all other regions got pressured by the US to pass equivalent laws during trade agreement talks. This effects the EEA as well. Also see https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet @iFixit

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    #23

    @schmittlauch @iFixit as I said - they tried. Even little Iceland didn't bow down.

    Icelnadic copyright law:
    art. 11; An individual can copy a published copyrighted work (book, music, movie) for own use as long as there is no financial gain.

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    • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

      @schmittlauch @iFixit as I said - they tried. Even little Iceland didn't bow down.

      Icelnadic copyright law:
      art. 11; An individual can copy a published copyrighted work (book, music, movie) for own use as long as there is no financial gain.

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      #24

      @schmittlauch @iFixit

      art. 11a; A legal owner of a computer program can copy it for safe-keeping (only!)
      A legal owner of a computer program can disassemble the program to examine, investigate or test the program to learn its workings and the ideas and views the individual parts of the programs rest on, given that these actions are in conjunction with the permissable use rightholder has in conjuction of the perusal of the software.

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      • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

        @schmittlauch @iFixit

        art. 11a; A legal owner of a computer program can copy it for safe-keeping (only!)
        A legal owner of a computer program can disassemble the program to examine, investigate or test the program to learn its workings and the ideas and views the individual parts of the programs rest on, given that these actions are in conjunction with the permissable use rightholder has in conjuction of the perusal of the software.

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        #25

        @schmittlauch @iFixit
        Remember DVD-Jon? That case made Europeans well aware of the scare tactics the eminate from the US. The Icelandic version of the MPAA tried to copy the US scare tactics, claiming copying was illegal - but they were shot down - because it isn't.

        And unlike americans, European people are VERY APT at watching their rights and fighting to keep them.

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        • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

          The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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          #26

          @iFixit adding that if a vehicle has "illegal parts" fitted and is involved in an accident, any insurance would not pay out and the owner and user of the vehicle could technically be taken to court.

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          • exus1pl@101010.plE exus1pl@101010.pl

            @mihamarkic @iFixit yeah, but most likely they will implement in such way that thieves will know to to bypass it and end user will be left with the burden. IMO unless they make this system open and will allow independent shops to work on we will just end up with more ewaste.

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            #27

            @exus1pl @mihamarkic @iFixit proper implementation is important

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            • tho99@mendeddrum.orgT tho99@mendeddrum.org

              @publicvoit @iFixit you can use the bikes without ever using the app.

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              #28

              @Tho99 @iFixit As far as I understand the video, this doesn't help with the part pairing issue.

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              • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

                @schmittlauch @iFixit

                art. 11a; A legal owner of a computer program can copy it for safe-keeping (only!)
                A legal owner of a computer program can disassemble the program to examine, investigate or test the program to learn its workings and the ideas and views the individual parts of the programs rest on, given that these actions are in conjunction with the permissable use rightholder has in conjuction of the perusal of the software.

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                #29

                @thor @schmittlauch @iFixit in addition, when you flashed your own software on that hardware, it would also be legal.

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                • mihamarkic@mastodon.socialM mihamarkic@mastodon.social

                  @iFixit TBH e-bikes theft is pretty popular and we need a deterrent. Being dependent on Bosch's mercy isn't probably the best, though.

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                  #30

                  @mihamarkic @iFixit CES 2028 will announce the "using the battery you've bought" subscription where you get to pay $50 a year to use your own battery. Likely with a $100 subscription variant to use the full capacity, or a $10 one-day full capacity microtransaction - or $20 if it's very cold or if it detects that you're far from home & the battery is almost "empty".

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                  • utf_7@mastodon.socialU utf_7@mastodon.social

                    @thor @schmittlauch @iFixit in addition, when you flashed your own software on that hardware, it would also be legal.

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                    #31

                    @utf_7 @schmittlauch @iFixit

                    Exactly 😄

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                    • dascandy@infosec.exchangeD dascandy@infosec.exchange

                      @mihamarkic @iFixit CES 2028 will announce the "using the battery you've bought" subscription where you get to pay $50 a year to use your own battery. Likely with a $100 subscription variant to use the full capacity, or a $10 one-day full capacity microtransaction - or $20 if it's very cold or if it detects that you're far from home & the battery is almost "empty".

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                      #32

                      @dascandy @iFixit I hear you, but this is a little bit different problem

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                      • exus1pl@101010.plE exus1pl@101010.pl

                        @mihamarkic @iFixit yeah, but most likely they will implement in such way that thieves will know to to bypass it and end user will be left with the burden. IMO unless they make this system open and will allow independent shops to work on we will just end up with more ewaste.

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                        #33

                        @exus1pl @iFixit antitheft is always just rising the bar. As per local shops, I'd say they should be allowed to, granted a proof of ownership is presented

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                        • tho99@mendeddrum.orgT tho99@mendeddrum.org

                          @publicvoit @iFixit you can use the bikes without ever using the app.

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                          #34

                          @Tho99 @publicvoit @iFixit AFIK Bosch hast long mechanisms in place that prevents you from repairing Akkupacks and the like. The protocol for service apps is totally opaque.

                          It's enshittified, don't buy.

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                          • mihamarkic@mastodon.socialM mihamarkic@mastodon.social

                            @dascandy @iFixit I hear you, but this is a little bit different problem

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                            #35

                            @mihamarkic @iFixit I completely understand that preventing your bicycle to be stolen is a good thing. I want that.

                            But I don't want that if it comes with a side of being tied into somebody's ecosystem, with a half million dollar & 5 year jail penalty for fixing your bike, because based on history we just *know* that corporate will push through on such schemes if they are physically able to do so.

                            What about instead having a yubikey (or equivalent security key) that functions as your bicycle key? And requiring it to be able to replace any parts? That accomplishes the exact same thing that this tethered system does, without the downsides and risks.

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                            • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                              The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                              #36

                              @iFixit how the hell is this shit legal 🙄

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