I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.
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@notsoloud @randahl And now that you mention it
@martinvermeer
Yeah, I thought about that, but this was also part of clearing the Germans out, so not a completely obvious threat to the country. But people were relieved when they left, it wasn't a given thing.The Soviet invasion plans for Denmark, complete with gas attacks, amphibious landings and nuclear attack were very different.
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I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.
No matter whom I listen to, the feeling is the same: Our bilateral relationship is dead.
I grew up in a country filled with gratitude towards The US, because of The Normandy Landings. The US was loved.
The feeling now is anger. Our Kingdom has been threatened twice in 100 years: Hitler's occupation and Trump's attempted annexation of Greenland.
It saddens me, but I sense this will not easily be forgotten.
@randahl Russia delivered Europe and the nazi camps, not the USA. USA wanted to administrate France after the D-Day. De Gaulle took them by surprise re organising the territory into departments. Since, USA lies about WW2. It's time to remember the true history. I'm french and i'm soooo sad to consider it that way.
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I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.
No matter whom I listen to, the feeling is the same: Our bilateral relationship is dead.
I grew up in a country filled with gratitude towards The US, because of The Normandy Landings. The US was loved.
The feeling now is anger. Our Kingdom has been threatened twice in 100 years: Hitler's occupation and Trump's attempted annexation of Greenland.
It saddens me, but I sense this will not easily be forgotten.
@randahl You can’t trust Trump- EVER- no one should
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Not extreme measures, no executions, it's something simpler: Courage. Courage from the Senate, the house, and judges. Courage also from the people in peaceful protests.
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It's bigger than that. America has turned its ugly side towards Europe, and we cannot help but see it. You could compare America to Harvey Weinstein—harassing everyone for decades, but while we have been disgusted in private we kept diplomatic ties because of power relations. Well, now that it became targeted at us the facade is broken, we cannot pretend not to see it any more, and we are embarassed to ever have been associated. It goes deeper than your current leadership.
@fgbjr @randahl -
Conviction cannot just stop it Donald Trump. The billionaires who put him in power and who push this agenda of annexation, so they can have the spoils distributed amongst themselves, they too have to be dealt with.. the way to deal with them is to make billionaires not possible. No one should have that much wealth. The companies that make that level of wealth possible should not be also be possible.
Taxation and antitrust are a necessity
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @Rii_cck @randahl
For the billionaires it isn't about the cash value of money, it's about the race to be the most wealthy it's just a number (not caring about the rest of us). Trump has seen that being the US president allows him many opportunities to increase his (personal) "nett worth". Remember Elon has moved the goal post with his Trillion target... expect the billionaires to work (us) harder to aim for the Elon target... -
For sure, and that's of course what you should be focusing on. It's uplifting to see Minneapolis taking a stance—clearly you're not alone.
I think the Danish/European sentiment @randahl points to is however that something fundamental has been broken between the US and Europe, and for the first time Trump has done enough damage that it will not just return to normal once America gets rid of trumpism. We are not only fed up with Trump and his regime, but with the whole American hegemony.
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I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.
No matter whom I listen to, the feeling is the same: Our bilateral relationship is dead.
I grew up in a country filled with gratitude towards The US, because of The Normandy Landings. The US was loved.
The feeling now is anger. Our Kingdom has been threatened twice in 100 years: Hitler's occupation and Trump's attempted annexation of Greenland.
It saddens me, but I sense this will not easily be forgotten.
@randahl I don't think the relation is dead... I think it will be a difficult one while Mr Drumpf is in office, but while EU is formed around institutions, the US is more individualistic... meaning that just as he aims to destroy what the previous built, the next one might very well undo much of what he built. While that is not nearly as good for the US, it might mean that the relations between the two countries survive Drumpf.
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@randahl The north remembers
@grumpydad … like a 200-year-old bowhead whale.
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@jgivoni @randahl I'm not disagreeing. And we should not refuse community to anyone who is ready to help push back the evil.
What I am saying however might not sit so well with you: Trump is a symptom, not a cause. That's my opinion as someone who watched it happen over 28 years, from the first time I sat up and said, "omg - oh no." Trump's way was paved.
@Tarnport I don't doubt it.
But I also don't think that if it hadn't been Trump, it would have been somebody else. Very few would have had the luck AND the skills to turn whatever it was into the force it is now, actively eroding the democratic defenses that should have prevented this outcome.
And right now, if we are on the brink of "war", we're on the brink of "war" with Trump and his administration, not the American people.
But everything you said is true as well.
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@jgivoni respectfully, you must accept that the rot within the US runs far deeper than "Trump and his fascist pack" from our point of view.
Understand that we don't hate the American PEOPLE (well, not the two thirds of them that are not fascists at least), we feel sorry for them...watching their country as they have known it disintegrate is unimaginable! But also understand this: the US has suffered a broad, systemic sociopolitical breakdown, and "voting the bums out" will not be the end of the problems, it is merely the first step in a healing process that could take many years, decades even, to fully sort out.
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@randahl I think it is a lot for Americans to process, especially the significant majority of them who are not engaged in global affairs. Canadians very much relate to and sympathise with what Denmark is going through right now. The feelings of betrayal and anger and frustration and loss of trust are with respect to the USA are PROFOUND.
I don't think many Americans, regardless of their political leanings, really do understand gow we, and increasingly the rest of the world, perceive their country.
NOT THE PEOPLE...but their country. We mostly feel sorry for the people of the USA.
But they MUST know this: clobbering the GOP in the midterms will not make it better. Electing a new president will not make it better. Y'all elected a FASCIST regime that is rapidly descending into totalitarianism.
Carney is right. This world order is over, and it will take decades for relations with the USA to find a new normal and it will NEVER be the old normal again. Voting won't be enough to fix this it's only a start.
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@randahl I think it is a lot for Americans to process, especially the significant majority of them who are not engaged in global affairs. Canadians very much relate to and sympathise with what Denmark is going through right now. The feelings of betrayal and anger and frustration and loss of trust are with respect to the USA are PROFOUND.
I don't think many Americans, regardless of their political leanings, really do understand gow we, and increasingly the rest of the world, perceive their country.
NOT THE PEOPLE...but their country. We mostly feel sorry for the people of the USA.
But they MUST know this: clobbering the GOP in the midterms will not make it better. Electing a new president will not make it better. Y'all elected a FASCIST regime that is rapidly descending into totalitarianism.
Carney is right. This world order is over, and it will take decades for relations with the USA to find a new normal and it will NEVER be the old normal again. Voting won't be enough to fix this it's only a start.
I agree to most of your post, but "We mostly feel sorry for the people of the USA."?
No, not exactly! Trump has been in office before and it was obvious to the world what he and his MAGA fascists were planning for this term ("Project 2025").
Still, 1/3 decided to actively vote him into power, and another 1/3 couldn't be bothered to even go to the ballot.
I'm mostly angry at the Americans!
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I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.
No matter whom I listen to, the feeling is the same: Our bilateral relationship is dead.
I grew up in a country filled with gratitude towards The US, because of The Normandy Landings. The US was loved.
The feeling now is anger. Our Kingdom has been threatened twice in 100 years: Hitler's occupation and Trump's attempted annexation of Greenland.
It saddens me, but I sense this will not easily be forgotten.
@randahl We have abandoned so much for this maniac but nothing so valuable as the connections you describe. I apologize for the clumsy, chaotic threat we have become and hope we can be a part of something better in the future.
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I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.
No matter whom I listen to, the feeling is the same: Our bilateral relationship is dead.
I grew up in a country filled with gratitude towards The US, because of The Normandy Landings. The US was loved.
The feeling now is anger. Our Kingdom has been threatened twice in 100 years: Hitler's occupation and Trump's attempted annexation of Greenland.
It saddens me, but I sense this will not easily be forgotten.
@randahl This is s healthy step in recovery.
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@randahl I think it is a lot for Americans to process, especially the significant majority of them who are not engaged in global affairs. Canadians very much relate to and sympathise with what Denmark is going through right now. The feelings of betrayal and anger and frustration and loss of trust are with respect to the USA are PROFOUND.
I don't think many Americans, regardless of their political leanings, really do understand gow we, and increasingly the rest of the world, perceive their country.
NOT THE PEOPLE...but their country. We mostly feel sorry for the people of the USA.
But they MUST know this: clobbering the GOP in the midterms will not make it better. Electing a new president will not make it better. Y'all elected a FASCIST regime that is rapidly descending into totalitarianism.
Carney is right. This world order is over, and it will take decades for relations with the USA to find a new normal and it will NEVER be the old normal again. Voting won't be enough to fix this it's only a start.
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@randahl I think it is a lot for Americans to process, especially the significant majority of them who are not engaged in global affairs. Canadians very much relate to and sympathise with what Denmark is going through right now. The feelings of betrayal and anger and frustration and loss of trust are with respect to the USA are PROFOUND.
I don't think many Americans, regardless of their political leanings, really do understand gow we, and increasingly the rest of the world, perceive their country.
NOT THE PEOPLE...but their country. We mostly feel sorry for the people of the USA.
But they MUST know this: clobbering the GOP in the midterms will not make it better. Electing a new president will not make it better. Y'all elected a FASCIST regime that is rapidly descending into totalitarianism.
Carney is right. This world order is over, and it will take decades for relations with the USA to find a new normal and it will NEVER be the old normal again. Voting won't be enough to fix this it's only a start.
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I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.
No matter whom I listen to, the feeling is the same: Our bilateral relationship is dead.
I grew up in a country filled with gratitude towards The US, because of The Normandy Landings. The US was loved.
The feeling now is anger. Our Kingdom has been threatened twice in 100 years: Hitler's occupation and Trump's attempted annexation of Greenland.
It saddens me, but I sense this will not easily be forgotten.
@randahl Much like the situation in Russia, many citizens remain unaware of the profound damage their leadership is inflicting on the world – both in terms of tangible destruction and the lasting stain on global perception. These are wounds that will take decades to heal.
Germans, in particular, may still recall the weight of such a legacy, having faced the harsh reality of being held accountable for the actions of their ancestors.
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I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.
No matter whom I listen to, the feeling is the same: Our bilateral relationship is dead.
I grew up in a country filled with gratitude towards The US, because of The Normandy Landings. The US was loved.
The feeling now is anger. Our Kingdom has been threatened twice in 100 years: Hitler's occupation and Trump's attempted annexation of Greenland.
It saddens me, but I sense this will not easily be forgotten.
@randahl The venal kleptocracy behind Trump is today exerting influence around the world, Trump is but a figurehead. Until people realise that this is about regular people versus the top 0.1% and their enablers, things will not get better. In the U.K. and US, both mainstream parties have been captured by corporate and / or Zionist paymasters, which disenfranchises voters. It’s unsurprising 1/3 of people (much more actually) don’t vote.
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I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.
No matter whom I listen to, the feeling is the same: Our bilateral relationship is dead.
I grew up in a country filled with gratitude towards The US, because of The Normandy Landings. The US was loved.
The feeling now is anger. Our Kingdom has been threatened twice in 100 years: Hitler's occupation and Trump's attempted annexation of Greenland.
It saddens me, but I sense this will not easily be forgotten.
Similar vibes in Canada. The 200+ year partnership is dead, shattered in what felt like minutes.
