omg I'm reading this dumb twitter article but can't continue because I'm laughing too hard at this diagram.
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@ArchiteuthisFlux It's like... maybe lighthouses are warning them of something.... it's actually an amazing summation of the current state of AI thinking
@morgan @ArchiteuthisFlux
We know that the AI systems serve the company that created them and so they will mindlessly direct their defenseless crew towards warnings
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omg I'm reading this dumb twitter article but can't continue because I'm laughing too hard at this diagram. Like, using this as a definition of an intelligent system then crashing into the fucking rocks because you don't know wtf a lighthouse is.
@ArchiteuthisFlux Yeah, but if their goal is to crash into the rocks, they are nailing it.
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It's probably just because my family's in the fishing industry that I know the secrets of the sea: for instance, boats go on the water and lighthouses go on land, and they should generally not be in the same place at the same time.
@ArchiteuthisFlux That's what I love about mastodon: these deep insights from domain experts that you can't get anywhere else.
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omg I'm reading this dumb twitter article but can't continue because I'm laughing too hard at this diagram. Like, using this as a definition of an intelligent system then crashing into the fucking rocks because you don't know wtf a lighthouse is.
@ArchiteuthisFlux there's that minor crashing into land issue, but also something that moves an output left/right (or up/down or hot/cold) to correct for an error is pretty much the definition of a closed-loop system.
I mean if some VC wants to give me, say, a gazzilion dollars for an op-amp or PID controller I'm all for it.
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@ArchiteuthisFlux I was in a company with a morale problem, and the HR team's response was to cover the walls with posters telling us "Be a lighthouse!" and stop complaining all the time.
I read a letter to the editor once where the writer was complaining about the "deer crossing" signs on the highway, and wanted them moved away from where she lived because there were too many deer on the road.
In tech school, these would have been marked "GCE" - gross conceptual errors.
@grumble209 @ArchiteuthisFlux
I want to know now how they thought "be a lighthouse" helped.What was their angle? Something about shining or guiding or just working all night?
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@ArchiteuthisFlux
"Canadian coastguard, this is the US Navy, we are on a collision course. Adjust your bearing 10 degrees south.""Nope."
"We say again, collision course, change your bearing."
"Nope."
"Canadian coastguard, we are an aircraft carrier with a support fleet of two destroyers, three cruisers, a small flotilla of support craft and a classified number of submarines. If you do not change your bearing we will take appropriate action."
"We're a lighthouse. Your call."
@_thegeoff
Hmm. The last time I heard that story it was a Spanish lighthouse. I guess it *is* a universal problem.
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omg I'm reading this dumb twitter article but can't continue because I'm laughing too hard at this diagram. Like, using this as a definition of an intelligent system then crashing into the fucking rocks because you don't know wtf a lighthouse is.
@ArchiteuthisFlux reading ai-bros talk about “techniques” to improve and optimise modern AI stuff, feels like living in an alternate dimension where everybody received a targeted lobotomy to remove any learnings of the past 50y on machine learning, optimisation, and information theory…
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omg I'm reading this dumb twitter article but can't continue because I'm laughing too hard at this diagram. Like, using this as a definition of an intelligent system then crashing into the fucking rocks because you don't know wtf a lighthouse is.
@ArchiteuthisFlux the AI knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the AI from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is.
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@ArchiteuthisFlux
"Canadian coastguard, this is the US Navy, we are on a collision course. Adjust your bearing 10 degrees south.""Nope."
"We say again, collision course, change your bearing."
"Nope."
"Canadian coastguard, we are an aircraft carrier with a support fleet of two destroyers, three cruisers, a small flotilla of support craft and a classified number of submarines. If you do not change your bearing we will take appropriate action."
"We're a lighthouse. Your call."
@_thegeoff @ArchiteuthisFlux current US war department: "bomb that lighthouse"
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@_thegeoff
Hmm. The last time I heard that story it was a Spanish lighthouse. I guess it *is* a universal problem.
@ArchiteuthisFlux@hypostase @_thegeoff @ArchiteuthisFlux I've heard it with an Irish lighthouse.
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@_thegeoff
Hmm. The last time I heard that story it was a Spanish lighthouse. I guess it *is* a universal problem.
@ArchiteuthisFlux@hypostase @_thegeoff @ArchiteuthisFlux the story is an urban legend (check Snopes), I have seen probably more than a dozen versions (differing in the name of US ship and nationality of lighthouse crew); however, with current trend in US policies, I wouldn't be at all surprised if one day it becomes reality.
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@hypostase @_thegeoff @ArchiteuthisFlux the story is an urban legend (check Snopes), I have seen probably more than a dozen versions (differing in the name of US ship and nationality of lighthouse crew); however, with current trend in US policies, I wouldn't be at all surprised if one day it becomes reality.
@blotosmetek @hypostase @ArchiteuthisFlux Why let the truth get in the way of a good story though
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@ArchiteuthisFlux the AI knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the AI from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is.
@jomo @ArchiteuthisFlux This is the Pooh Bear theory of information systems, right?
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@hypostase @_thegeoff @ArchiteuthisFlux the story is an urban legend (check Snopes), I have seen probably more than a dozen versions (differing in the name of US ship and nationality of lighthouse crew); however, with current trend in US policies, I wouldn't be at all surprised if one day it becomes reality.
@blotosmetek
Oh, I'm aware, just commiserating on the underlying truth. I'd almost be surprised if there wasn't a version in semaphore and sailing ships from other Empires.
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@ArchiteuthisFlux Yeah, but if their goal is to crash into the rocks, they are nailing it.
@johnnythan @ArchiteuthisFlux They're not, that's the really sad thing. This isn't at all how neural networks in living things find their ways towards goals. You can simulate that *accurately* in about 10 lines of BASIC or FORTRAN. I've done it.
This is multi level misunderstanding: of the exercise, of the goal, AND of how to achieve it.
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@ArchiteuthisFlux
"Canadian coastguard, this is the US Navy, we are on a collision course. Adjust your bearing 10 degrees south.""Nope."
"We say again, collision course, change your bearing."
"Nope."
"Canadian coastguard, we are an aircraft carrier with a support fleet of two destroyers, three cruisers, a small flotilla of support craft and a classified number of submarines. If you do not change your bearing we will take appropriate action."
"We're a lighthouse. Your call."
@_thegeoff @ArchiteuthisFlux as much as I want this to be true..... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-obstinate-lighthouse/
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omg I'm reading this dumb twitter article but can't continue because I'm laughing too hard at this diagram. Like, using this as a definition of an intelligent system then crashing into the fucking rocks because you don't know wtf a lighthouse is.
@ArchiteuthisFlux while this is funny and it made me chuckle I have to ask why you're still validating X by visiting the place?
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It's probably just because my family's in the fishing industry that I know the secrets of the sea: for instance, boats go on the water and lighthouses go on land, and they should generally not be in the same place at the same time.
@ArchiteuthisFlux the drawing is so confusing to me because if it's a sail boat that isn't what ERROR looks like that's just literally how sailing works
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omg I'm reading this dumb twitter article but can't continue because I'm laughing too hard at this diagram. Like, using this as a definition of an intelligent system then crashing into the fucking rocks because you don't know wtf a lighthouse is.
@ArchiteuthisFlux So... Intelligence is a dirt simple root finding algorithm?
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@KatLS I read that as "sadly tacks" and thought that was the most brilliant sailing-themed play on this
@ArchiteuthisFlux @KatLS I know it's probably just inserted for comedic effect, but I love the idea that the text is an original closed caption for the benefit of deaf viewers who can't hear the sadness of the go-karting.
