As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
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@analogfusion The only way forward is ground-up, community led and supported, migration off their platform surface and onto ethical alternatives.
(Based on your profile, I see you know this, just sounding it out for the thread)
why do you think no feasible alternatives have emerged?
by feasibly I also mean solutions that work for non-technical normal people.
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why do you think no feasible alternatives have emerged?
by feasibly I also mean solutions that work for non-technical normal people.
@rzeta0 @analogfusion Feasible alternatives to Google platforms? Many have emerged, & are increasingly used by non-technical sorts. BigBlueButton easily replaces GG Meet (I have migrated many off Zoom and GG Meet to this platform), Nextcloud replaces GG Drive and so far as many needs GG Docs (as above), Cryptpad likewise (albeit a little more geeky), GMail has many self-hosted alternatives (have moved many to Roundcube or SnappyMail) alongside click & go third party alts like Tutanota, ++ (1/2)
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@rzeta0 @analogfusion Feasible alternatives to Google platforms? Many have emerged, & are increasingly used by non-technical sorts. BigBlueButton easily replaces GG Meet (I have migrated many off Zoom and GG Meet to this platform), Nextcloud replaces GG Drive and so far as many needs GG Docs (as above), Cryptpad likewise (albeit a little more geeky), GMail has many self-hosted alternatives (have moved many to Roundcube or SnappyMail) alongside click & go third party alts like Tutanota, ++ (1/2)
@rzeta0 @analogfusion What there is not however is a single unified platform 'workspace', that people have grown accustomed to like, integrating auth flow with devices & application layer & across the platform space.
Nextcloud, to some degree, have made headway in this regard, at least so far as the sync, drive, calendar, docs, conferencing needs cluster.
Implementing high-reputation & sovereign mail transport with secure webmail atop is especially tricky, which is why I teach it. 2/2
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
Courts need to stop acting like "millions" is enough of a punishment for these companies. $68m is just "the cost of doing business" for a company of this size. They profited far more than they're losing here.
Start fining in numbers that matter.
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver that's a settlement, not a statement of fact. I'd be cautious about language when commenting on the story. There's no finding of guilt here. It may feel implied of course.
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver I'm curious how this applies in places where it's illegal to record a person without their consent? Not that I'd expect anyone at google to face any real consequences
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@JulianOliver that's a settlement, not a statement of fact. I'd be cautious about language when commenting on the story. There's no finding of guilt here. It may feel implied of course.
@mikebabcock Fair. Hence I used "seems". However they have not contested it with evidence, despite having hundreds of lawyers. Just simply denied wrongdoing.
I would not give them the benefit of the doubt. They're a mining company.
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver lo peor es que nos obligan usar esta plataforma en el trabajo.
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver doesn't this mean they eavesdropped on business as well? There should be grounds for huge lawsuits for industrial espionage...
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@JulianOliver doesn't this mean they eavesdropped on business as well? There should be grounds for huge lawsuits for industrial espionage...
@lindegardxyz I don't know. But if Google doesn't want it to escalate to that scale, perhaps even to the public sector (incl of other nation states), their gigantic legal team will need to present some form of evidence they have not been eavesdropping. As yet they have not, while the civil lawsuit seems to contain enough material to convince juries that the 'false accepts' (queries passed outside of defined 'hot words') have been happening frequently.
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver Google just lie about everything. They are in that regard identical to Facebook, Microsoft and Apple.
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver what's actually left for captain Gemini to extort from everyone once it takes over from the copilot...
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver
It seemed pretty obvious, but unproven, over the years. It's nice to finally have proof. -
@JulianOliver what's actually left for captain Gemini to extort from everyone once it takes over from the copilot...
@htpcnz An interesting take
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver If we don't pay with money, we pay with our privacy.
But the really bad ones take our money AND our privacy. -
As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver If this were justice, it would go to the American people and not the government itself.
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver
Corporations are lying? Really? Who would have thought of that? That means, they maybe could have lied about smoking and cancer? Or the ozone layer? Or climate change? -
As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver Yeah that is so wild to me: that people just meekishly accept this kind of thing from big corporations that would be totally unacceptable from an individual, citing they have no options. But not trusting the government at the same time. (Yes, different can of worms.)
There are plenty of options. It seems to me the cognitive friction is just too high until they NEED to change or something 'cool' pops up. Humans are weird. #privacy #nobigtech #unplugtrump
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As we guessed, it seems that despite Google saying they were not making recordings of people's voices and mining them for advertisers, they were doing exactly that.
If it was a colleague caught wiretapping the workplace, we'd have them sacked and never speak to nor trust them again. In the case of Google, it's even more personal.
No Google service is free. We are the terrain they extract from. We always pay.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-settlement-68-million/
@JulianOliver If you ever needed a reason to stop using Google Chrome, this would be it.
There are better and open source options out there!
