Age verification is spreading like cancer.

nocci@punk.cyber77.de

@jathanasiou@mastodon.social
I think we agree on the substance: digital surveillance infrastructure DOES enable authoritarianism, and we're seeing it happen with the UK law. Your concerns about control mechanisms have merit.

Where I'd still push back: Niemöller's poem carries specific weight because it's about genocide. We can call out authoritarian patterns—ID checks, surveillance, censorship—without invoking the Holocaust. That reference should be reserved for contexts that actually approach that scale.

Let's respectfully agree to disagree on the specific comparison. That said, your points about the UK and the potential for censorship via ID gates are valid and worrying. That is definitely a fight worth fighting—I just prefer different rhetoric to fight it.

@Tutanota@mastodon.social

nocci@punk.cyber77.de

@kgMadee2@mathstodon.xyz

I already made my stance clear:

@Tutanota@mastodon.social

RE: https://punk.cyber77.de/notes/ahklg4paq2f809e1

cejjacobs@mastodon.social

@Tutanota the other day reporting on Roblox (game platform) some people were happy that the platform added age verification by scanning a photo. So voluntarily having children giving their pictures for facial recognition… (the kids were unimpressed. One 12 years old was identified as 16-17, another claimed to have shown a random photo of an adult)

jathanasiou@mastodon.social

@nocci @Tutanota I hear you and yes I understand your stance very much.

It is important in times like these to retain a sense of unity even if we have somewhat different ways to call out and deal with the dangerous, undemocratic powers we face.

elexia@catcatnya.com

@nocci @Tutanota yeah I agree. this is bad, but it's not the Holocaust.

nocci@punk.cyber77.de

@elexia@catcatnya.com
exactly - thx for confirmation

@Tutanota@mastodon.social

gokushrm@mastodon.social

@Tutanota I'm happy.. I'll start using simple phone or smartphone with minimum services or apps with custom rom.. ️Atleast it ll give me full time to hangout with my people locally.

tonanio@mastodon.social

@Tutanota The reality is that to fight disinformation, misingotmation and scams, only ID verification will work IF and it's a big if, cannot be controlled by governments and corporations, plus the "fake accounts" and bot farms are locked out of Internet, especially social media.
And it ain't going to be good if governments take the lead on developing the solutions.

mightbecrazy@app.wafrn.net

no way the app i always see when i open f-droid is on wafrn(well, mastadon but i dont care. my point is i didnt expect to see it THERE yk)

superboom12s@mastodon.social

@art_histories @Tutanota

Well, can't deny that I absolutely hate social media like that, as they only do care for their gains and not for their users at all, look at Facebook (not only but as an example), who consciously advertises scams and misinformation...

However, I do think regulation is not a solution entirely, I believe that education is way more important, as too much regulation leads to less freedom and people not knowing to manage themselves when they get able to.

imgoneinpeace@mastodon.social

@Tutanota I can't say what I think without being blocked. There is no freedom to speak unless you are a fascist.

tutanota@mastodon.social

@nocci Thank you very much for your feedback and for sharing your stance on this. We agree that this poem could be misinterpreted in such a way, and that is definitely not something we intended. However, in the English-speaking world it is commonly used today to speak up against increasing surveillance tendencies, and that's what we are doing here. We are sorry if this did not come across clear enough and will review future posts more critically.

denisalexclopo@mastodon.social

@Tutanota nope. It's good that adult sites are locked behind age verification. The harder it is to access that rubbish, the better.
The issues are all the others, yes.

jdb_env@mastodon.social

@Tutanota

Thank you for this post

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Age verification is spreading like cancer.