#EuropeanUnion #EU#YesBut

@marcohackney we could have standards and treaties without the lobby-controlled super-government that wants to ban encryption and instate mass surveillance. fuck the EU

@marcohackney One Thing to correct: No, you have NOT the same working rights in the EU countrys. There are no EU wide working rights, each country have their own. Please do not spread wrong things.
Here's an article in german that shows how different are working rights in the countrys:
https://www.betriebsrat.de/news/arbeitnehmer/wo-geht-es-arbeitnehmern-am-besten-20450

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@onlytina @marcohackney I agree it's misleading, but what EU is probably referring to: you have the same rights in the other country as its citizens. (For example, when I was studying in France, there was some student subsidy thing, and because of EU rules, us Erasmus students were entitled, too.)

@papush_ @marcohackney That would be a valid point if the nation states would not try to impose mass surveillance and be influenced by lobbyist.

On the contrary, EU law & courts have often crushed local practises, just look at data retention without cause in various EU states.

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Yes, you can travel and work with the same rights,

But, why are Polish, Romanian, Slovenian and Bulgarian workers still exploited in NL and many other (richer) EU member states?

@boink @marcohackney national governments having issues doesn't make having a super government on top with the same issues but at a bigger scale any better, on the contrary it makes it worse.
more recently the EU bent the knee to the US to save the german car lobby and they're in the process of allowing companies to lie about recycled plastic on packaging to help that particular lobby too.
oh, and they're going to negatively impact working conditions for many in exchange for making a quick buck with a deal with india by selling luxury cars there now that the chinese market for them is dying down

@papush_ @marcohackney I'm simply stating that a judgement, that only emphasises problems in a sector and ignores positive impact is oversimplified

You criticised EU plans to ease mass surveillance, I reminded that EU courts also stopped mass surveillance.

@marcohackney@todon.eu can they also please let me have encrypted messaging

@onlytina I think that you misunderstood the claim. It means the EU rule that as a EU citizen, I have the right to study, live, and work where I want and when I want: I'm free to choose.

Of course, every country then has also national laws (as long as we are not the United States Of Europe). But no country can take away this right of a free choice! It's the same right in every EU state.

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@boink @marcohackney i'm interested, got a source/case name i could look up?

@mmol I think that this problem doesn't start on an EU level but by national problems. And at the same time it's an international, nearly global problem, because in hard transition times, these people work with fears.
Unfortunately, the EU does not have any truly effective security mechanisms to exclude fascist states, for example. (When these mechanisms were made, the problem didn't exist yet).

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