I'm writing an article about W Social and I'm mentioning how it's basically a fork of Bluesky / is using its open source code.
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I'm writing an article about W Social and I'm mentioning how it's basically a fork of Bluesky / is using its open source code.
Are there any Bluesky / ATProto experts on here willing to help me understand something, in a "explain it like I'm 5" fashion?
Update: all good thanks to @laurenshof 's expert explanation, thank you Laurens
️@_elena I am not an expert but if I can help let me know. I have strong suspicions about why W selected atproto instead of activitypub.
Basically there is more power in the biggest actors, a more "centralized" control, to ban/shadow-ban/censure and pull the plug.
In other words it is more impactful when bluesky sidebanned someone or some community than if mastodon.social would do it. The firehose/relay is a the biggest point of control.
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@_elena I am not an expert but if I can help let me know. I have strong suspicions about why W selected atproto instead of activitypub.
Basically there is more power in the biggest actors, a more "centralized" control, to ban/shadow-ban/censure and pull the plug.
In other words it is more impactful when bluesky sidebanned someone or some community than if mastodon.social would do it. The firehose/relay is a the biggest point of control.
@_elena So in my opinion. Why W choosed atproto instead of activitypub? It is more interesting for investors to create a platform that can be controlled, even if it is just to introduce ads or control the discourse.
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@_elena So in my opinion. Why W choosed atproto instead of activitypub? It is more interesting for investors to create a platform that can be controlled, even if it is just to introduce ads or control the discourse.
@_elena technically is because setting-up/supporting/maintaining the firehose/relay layer is very expensive. Every single message would flow thru there.
Creating the biggest firehose in Europe is such a power. So, it is easier to be controlled, and very unlikely to be replicated by other entities.
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I'm writing an article about W Social and I'm mentioning how it's basically a fork of Bluesky / is using its open source code.
Are there any Bluesky / ATProto experts on here willing to help me understand something, in a "explain it like I'm 5" fashion?
Update: all good thanks to @laurenshof 's expert explanation, thank you Laurens
️@_elena sup
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I'm writing an article about W Social and I'm mentioning how it's basically a fork of Bluesky / is using its open source code.
Are there any Bluesky / ATProto experts on here willing to help me understand something, in a "explain it like I'm 5" fashion?
Update: all good thanks to @laurenshof 's expert explanation, thank you Laurens
️@_elena
OK, here we go (cracks knuckles, takes a deep breath, sighs)..."You're five. You should not be on social media."
(Other than the joke, I'm useless here. Good luck.)
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@_elena So in my opinion. Why W choosed atproto instead of activitypub? It is more interesting for investors to create a platform that can be controlled, even if it is just to introduce ads or control the discourse.
@mapache yes, this was my suspicion too... I have a really technical question about AT Proto and their open source code though... if you could think of anyone who could help, I'm all ears
And see you at FOSDEM on Saturday?
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@laurenshof Hi Laurens! Can I DM you on Signal about this?
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@_elena
OK, here we go (cracks knuckles, takes a deep breath, sighs)..."You're five. You should not be on social media."
(Other than the joke, I'm useless here. Good luck.)
@kelvin0mql
you genuinely made me laugh out loudI have a 5 year old and I approve of this message
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@laurenshof Hi Laurens! Can I DM you on Signal about this?
@_elena sure!
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@kelvin0mql
you genuinely made me laugh out loudI have a 5 year old and I approve of this message
@_elena
Is it weird that I picture that scene from #GalaxyQuest any time someone says "explain it like I'm 5" or similar? -
@_elena technically is because setting-up/supporting/maintaining the firehose/relay layer is very expensive. Every single message would flow thru there.
Creating the biggest firehose in Europe is such a power. So, it is easier to be controlled, and very unlikely to be replicated by other entities.
@mapache can I quote you on this in my piece?
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@_elena So in my opinion. Why W choosed atproto instead of activitypub? It is more interesting for investors to create a platform that can be controlled, even if it is just to introduce ads or control the discourse.
@mapache @_elena I'm guessing the reason is less technical and more business:
They're positioning themselves as a European platform. Had they chosen ActivityPub, they have no unique selling point versus Mastodon.
So they are going with "Bluesky but Europe".
And with that they can pitch those aspects you mentioned.
Maybe an investor will bite.
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@mapache can I quote you on this in my piece?
@_elena @mapache They also want to require identity verification for their users, so that fits https://www.t-online.de/digital/internet/id_101092238/soziales-netzwerk-aus-europa-will-elon-musk-konkurrenz-machen-w-statt-x.html
Otherwise, they could just go for EuroSky if they want an ATProto network
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@_elena @mapache They also want to require identity verification for their users, so that fits https://www.t-online.de/digital/internet/id_101092238/soziales-netzwerk-aus-europa-will-elon-musk-konkurrenz-machen-w-statt-x.html
Otherwise, they could just go for EuroSky if they want an ATProto network
@_elena Speaking of which, maybe you could ask somebody working on the BlackSky/NorthSky/EuroSky projects?
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