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  • wiredfire@mstdn.socialW wiredfire@mstdn.social

    @jwildeboer Ha! Thing is we already had de facto universal charging in that regardless of if the device itself used micro USB or USB-C or lightening everything went into a charger with a USB-A port on it. Then gear started turning up with cables with USB-C at both ends and folk needed to buy new chargers when their USB-A ones were still perfectly functional. And I refuse to concede the often cited notion that carrying 2-3 wires instead of one (which all worked on a USB-A charger) was a problem 😅

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    #102

    @wiredfire @jwildeboer 1/n
    1) I am not particularly elderly and still have reasonable hand-eye coordination. A USB-C plug is much simpler to insert into the relevant socket than a USB-A plug is and a USB-A plug is an order of magnitude easier to plug in correctly than a Micro-USB plug.

    2) Other people's chargers usually come with their own cables. The important bit is that the end you need to plug into your device has a USB-C plug on it. It does not matter what is on the charger end.

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    • the_wub@mastodon.socialT the_wub@mastodon.social

      @wiredfire @jwildeboer 1/n
      1) I am not particularly elderly and still have reasonable hand-eye coordination. A USB-C plug is much simpler to insert into the relevant socket than a USB-A plug is and a USB-A plug is an order of magnitude easier to plug in correctly than a Micro-USB plug.

      2) Other people's chargers usually come with their own cables. The important bit is that the end you need to plug into your device has a USB-C plug on it. It does not matter what is on the charger end.

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      #103

      @wiredfire @jwildeboer n/n
      3) I can still buy chargers here in Norway with USB-A sockets on them. I can also buy ones that support both USB-A to C and USB-C to C cables. Or ones that just support USB-C to C cables.

      4) If the only charger available is a USB-C to C PD charger powerful enough to charge a laptop I can still charge my dumb phone from it.

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      • xavez@me.dmX xavez@me.dm

        @jwildeboer you can’t possibly know but I understand all of that better than you might think.

        It’s the implementation that’s the mess. Leaving this to millions of websites was a bad idea. It should have always been a browser preference. One exists and could have been adapted.

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        #104

        @xavez @jwildeboer No, no, no.

        Leaving it to millions of websites is brilliant.

        There are a couple of cookie choice systems in use that are so utterly awful (in terms of having to block "Legitimate interest" cookies for all of their 847 partners ONE BY ONE) that when they appear after following a link from a search engine I can immediately leave that website and then block the site from ever appearing in my search engine again.

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        • the_wub@mastodon.socialT the_wub@mastodon.social

          @xavez @jwildeboer No, no, no.

          Leaving it to millions of websites is brilliant.

          There are a couple of cookie choice systems in use that are so utterly awful (in terms of having to block "Legitimate interest" cookies for all of their 847 partners ONE BY ONE) that when they appear after following a link from a search engine I can immediately leave that website and then block the site from ever appearing in my search engine again.

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          #105

          @xavez @jwildeboer Why on earth am I going to use a web page provided by an organisation that wants to make it so profoundly difficult for me to avoid giving them my data?

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          • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

            Repost from https://todon.eu/@marcohackney/115992340469511552 with ALT text added. Unified chargers, free roaming, travel, study and work everywhere in the EU, simple bank transfers with SEPA and Wero. EU makes life better.

            #ThanksEU

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            #106

            @jwildeboer ich würde mal damit anfangen daß wir den Euro haben, und in doch ziemlich vielen Ländern mit einer einheitlichen Währung zahlen können, ganz direkt und ohne Umrechnen&Umtauschen

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            • dexruus@chaos.socialD dexruus@chaos.social

              @jwildeboer DONT EVER FORGET; EUROPE HAS HAD ITS LONGEST PEACETIME SINCE EVER.

              The EU isnt only a people project, its a peace project.

              ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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              #107

              @Dexruus @jwildeboer how are those different?

              Edit, sorry didn't mean to be snarky, I meant more that peace is made by people, and peace comes from people getting to know each other better, so for me peace projects are people projects.

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              • dexruus@chaos.socialD dexruus@chaos.social

                @jwildeboer DONT EVER FORGET; EUROPE HAS HAD ITS LONGEST PEACETIME SINCE EVER.

                The EU isnt only a people project, its a peace project.

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                #108

                @Dexruus @jwildeboer Very much depends on the definition of peace, doesn't it?

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                • K krist@wehavecookies.social

                  @budududuroiu @mfru @jwildeboer that frontex is the best funded agency is a bit misleading. Its budget is still only a tiny fraction of what the EU spends.

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                  #109

                  @krist @budududuroiu @jwildeboer best / most funded and being a fraction of the whole budget do not exclude each other, though

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                  • mfru@mastodon.socialM mfru@mastodon.social

                    @krist @budududuroiu @jwildeboer best / most funded and being a fraction of the whole budget do not exclude each other, though

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                    #110

                    @mfru @budududuroiu @jwildeboer I know. But it is more an artifact of how the books are kept. The EU still spends most of its money on supporting farmers.

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                    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                      Repost from https://todon.eu/@marcohackney/115992340469511552 with ALT text added. Unified chargers, free roaming, travel, study and work everywhere in the EU, simple bank transfers with SEPA and Wero. EU makes life better.

                      #ThanksEU

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                      #111

                      @jwildeboer maybe @EUCommission could post it anew ? 😉

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                      • K krist@wehavecookies.social

                        @mfru @budududuroiu @jwildeboer I know. But it is more an artifact of how the books are kept. The EU still spends most of its money on supporting farmers.

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                        #112

                        @krist @budududuroiu @jwildeboer i don't see how the statement made by budududuroiu is misleading then

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                        • morre@chaos.socialM morre@chaos.social

                          @Dexruus @jwildeboer Very much depends on the definition of peace, doesn't it?

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                          #113

                          @morre @jwildeboer Last time I checked; Germany and France werent sitting in trenches or France beeing occupied by Germany again.

                          Thats quite the inner peace, isnt it?

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                          • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

                            @Dexruus @jwildeboer how are those different?

                            Edit, sorry didn't mean to be snarky, I meant more that peace is made by people, and peace comes from people getting to know each other better, so for me peace projects are people projects.

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                            #114

                            @ainmosni @jwildeboer I was refering it to as "a people project" for economic and demographic reasons.

                            It started as an economic project, but lead to european peace and interaction.

                            Thats why i differenced it.

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                            • dexruus@chaos.socialD dexruus@chaos.social

                              @ainmosni @jwildeboer I was refering it to as "a people project" for economic and demographic reasons.

                              It started as an economic project, but lead to european peace and interaction.

                              Thats why i differenced it.

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                              #115

                              @Dexruus @jwildeboer fair, I would have gotten it better if you used economic project from the start, but I totally agree.

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                              • the_wub@mastodon.socialT the_wub@mastodon.social

                                @xavez @jwildeboer Why on earth am I going to use a web page provided by an organisation that wants to make it so profoundly difficult for me to avoid giving them my data?

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                                #116

                                @the_wub @jwildeboer sounds like you're already a savvy internet user. 95% of the people on the internet are not. They'll just click accept and move on with their life.

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                                • dexruus@chaos.socialD dexruus@chaos.social

                                  @morre @jwildeboer Last time I checked; Germany and France werent sitting in trenches or France beeing occupied by Germany again.

                                  Thats quite the inner peace, isnt it?

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                                  #117

                                  @Dexruus @jwildeboer I consider Ukraine to be in Europe, too.

                                  Not very peaceful over there right now.

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                                  • xavez@me.dmX xavez@me.dm

                                    @the_wub @jwildeboer sounds like you're already a savvy internet user. 95% of the people on the internet are not. They'll just click accept and move on with their life.

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                                    #118

                                    @xavez @jwildeboer So wouldn't a simple alternative be to NOT collect this data in the first place?

                                    OR

                                    Make data collection, both "legitimate interest" and data for tracking purposes OFF unless you specifically say you want to be tracked?

                                    A big red button at the top of each website with the text "Please track me around the internet" on it.

                                    So opt-in rather than opt-out.

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                                    • the_wub@mastodon.socialT the_wub@mastodon.social

                                      @xavez @jwildeboer So wouldn't a simple alternative be to NOT collect this data in the first place?

                                      OR

                                      Make data collection, both "legitimate interest" and data for tracking purposes OFF unless you specifically say you want to be tracked?

                                      A big red button at the top of each website with the text "Please track me around the internet" on it.

                                      So opt-in rather than opt-out.

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                                      #119

                                      @the_wub @jwildeboer the only sane path forward is a browser setting with those defaults. Doing this per website makes no sense. That's like having to agree to terms and conditions every time you enter a building.

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                                      • xavez@me.dmX xavez@me.dm

                                        @the_wub @jwildeboer the only sane path forward is a browser setting with those defaults. Doing this per website makes no sense. That's like having to agree to terms and conditions every time you enter a building.

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                                        #120

                                        @xavez @jwildeboer ...for the first time...

                                        Once your preferences are saved then you don't need to go through the cookie consent rigmarole again.

                                        Except I do as most of my searches are done in private browser windows opened per search.

                                        The "do not track" initiative died a death because it relied on the co-operation of sites that would lose money by not tracking you.

                                        Any browser based solution would still have to be backed by legislation like the cookie-consent laws in the EU.

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                                        • the_wub@mastodon.socialT the_wub@mastodon.social

                                          @xavez @jwildeboer ...for the first time...

                                          Once your preferences are saved then you don't need to go through the cookie consent rigmarole again.

                                          Except I do as most of my searches are done in private browser windows opened per search.

                                          The "do not track" initiative died a death because it relied on the co-operation of sites that would lose money by not tracking you.

                                          Any browser based solution would still have to be backed by legislation like the cookie-consent laws in the EU.

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                                          #121

                                          @the_wub @jwildeboer of course, you solve this with laws and enforcement.

                                          That said, the current implementation does not solve anything. Cookies are not the issue. Reselling data or using it for purposes other than the intended use (e.g. modelling user behaviour but then reselling it to meta so they can profile better to sell ads of which they don't share the revenue with you) is the real problem.

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