I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now.
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@Natanox @killyourfm just have a chatroom embed on a page of the forum, like one of those web IRC clients. I remember seeing some forums doing this already many years ago.
@killyourfm @gianmarcogg03 Doing it with an app (even if it's just Electron) does give you better ways to handle UI/UX though, especially when it comes to Voice channels and navigation on touch devices. I don't think the old style of forums gonna cut it.
I don't understand why 99% of all so-called Discord-alternatives do not get the damn voice channels right anyway (or just ignore that feature entirely). They're a crucial element, and WebRTC isn't dark magic anymore.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm@layer8.space its not the same usecase
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm It’s amazing to see how issues that have essentially been solved decades ago were thrown out instead of refined. Usenet was federated from the get-go, FidoNet as well. The UX was challenging for casual users though.
The issue is the same everywhere in OSS tech: it’s dominated by engineers, not designers and UI/UX experts. They work for commercial entities because their expertise is valued there. Try working as a capable UX designer with OSS engineers and you’ll see what I mean.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm One of my local online news orgs just launched a forum. They mentioned how we are overwhelmed with social media nowadays and it’s a good time to return to the humble forum.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm maybe something like Discourse could be workable since it’s more like forums
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
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@killyourfm to avoid having to make a new account on every forum you want to post on, it would be cool to have an ActivityPub Single Sign On system. Another idea (which I believe Discourse has already?) is to implement ActivityPub in the forums directly, so that you can post on any forum from your main one.
@gianmarcogg03 oh that's genius, and would definitely solve one of the most annoying paper cuts!
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm Yes! I'm all for bringing forums back.
But forums have their problems, too. (Even when they're not shiny, infinite-scrolling, Web 2.0 nightmares.)
No system is resilient against an attacker with sufficient motivation and resources, but (as Prokopetz has pointed out over on Tumblr) it didn't take all *that* much motivation or resources for one troll to render a self-hosted indie forum completely inoperable. That's part of why the big socials took over in the first place.
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@killyourfm @myTerminal I have arrived at the conclusion that if someone I know enough for that kind of communication suggests a new *sensible* platform I am not already using, that is fine, I will use it. You have taken up Session or SimpleX: Cool. Let's do that. Even between Signal, Matrix, Delta Chat, Nextcloud Talk and Threema, I have a pretty good idea where people are. Of course, all this is for private communications, so not on a huge scale.
@mjj @killyourfm I have a similar approach where I'm almost everywhere my people are (unfortunately including #WhatsApp), but for the ones like us, it means carrying a sizable baggage for something that most people: (a) get done with only one platform which is often WhatsApp, and (b) do not even have to think/worry about.
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@mjj @killyourfm I have a similar approach where I'm almost everywhere my people are (unfortunately including #WhatsApp), but for the ones like us, it means carrying a sizable baggage for something that most people: (a) get done with only one platform which is often WhatsApp, and (b) do not even have to think/worry about.
@myTerminal @mjj That mental "baggage" is real. I have to stay on Messenger for my aunt and grandmother. I have to stay on WhatsApp for 2 of my friends. Etc...
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
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@killyourfm Back to forums? Yes, please!!! I used to write in forums, found friends there, until that damned FB killed them all. I lost so many contacts (I never joined FB) and miss people and discussions about special topics ...
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This!
I ran two forums for special interests but Discord, Facebook and all the other "services" killed it bc ppl were keen to go into jail -
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