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  • jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ jonah@mastodon.neat.computer

    RE: https://mastodon.thenewoil.org/@thenewoil/115971195227745876

    Next up will be a VPN ban. Many tech-y people will see that and think “lol yeah well that’s not going to stop *me* from using a VPN”

    A VPN ban isn’t really meant stop you from using one. It means when they catch you doing so, they’ll use the fact you’re using this harmless technology itself as a *pretense* to lock you up without needing to do any “hard work” (i.e. an investigator’s job) like actually confirming whether you committed a real crime.

    Don’t think you won’t be impacted just because you know how to outsmart an ISP filter! This is not a plan to protect children or stop you from consuming adult media. It is a ploy to eventually eliminate ALL freedom of expression and free access to information in the UK.

    And the same goes for Chat Control and encrypted messengers, btw

    #UKpol #VPNban #PornHub #ChatControl #Privacy #FreeSpeech #SocialMedia

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    #2

    @jonah VPN ban -> Ah, people can install WireGuard on a Hetzner droplet -> mandatory age verification for web hosting, etc., etc., ad infinitum.

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    • jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ jonah@mastodon.neat.computer

      RE: https://mastodon.thenewoil.org/@thenewoil/115971195227745876

      Next up will be a VPN ban. Many tech-y people will see that and think “lol yeah well that’s not going to stop *me* from using a VPN”

      A VPN ban isn’t really meant stop you from using one. It means when they catch you doing so, they’ll use the fact you’re using this harmless technology itself as a *pretense* to lock you up without needing to do any “hard work” (i.e. an investigator’s job) like actually confirming whether you committed a real crime.

      Don’t think you won’t be impacted just because you know how to outsmart an ISP filter! This is not a plan to protect children or stop you from consuming adult media. It is a ploy to eventually eliminate ALL freedom of expression and free access to information in the UK.

      And the same goes for Chat Control and encrypted messengers, btw

      #UKpol #VPNban #PornHub #ChatControl #Privacy #FreeSpeech #SocialMedia

      paul@notnull.spaceP This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @jonah doesn't say anything about SOCKS proxying over a dynamic SSH tunnel though

      jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ greylinux@floss.socialG 2 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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      • paul@notnull.spaceP paul@notnull.space

        @jonah doesn't say anything about SOCKS proxying over a dynamic SSH tunnel though

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        #4

        @paul nice you found the loophole, us tech guys always win after all 😎

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        • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

          @jonah VPN ban -> Ah, people can install WireGuard on a Hetzner droplet -> mandatory age verification for web hosting, etc., etc., ad infinitum.

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          #5

          @aral @jonah This will probably be the next step... Only registered companies will be able to rent a VPS... I hope this gets stuck to the business damage it will cause to VPS/cloud providers

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          • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

            @jonah VPN ban -> Ah, people can install WireGuard on a Hetzner droplet -> mandatory age verification for web hosting, etc., etc., ad infinitum.

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            #6

            @aral nah, next step would be DPI systems to ban every Wireguard except government-approved corporate systems

            I know, I live in russia

            @jonah

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            • paul@notnull.spaceP paul@notnull.space

              @jonah doesn't say anything about SOCKS proxying over a dynamic SSH tunnel though

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              #7

              @paul @jonah I've never heard of this before. I currently have wireguard as my main way to access my local network services. If they ban VPN's, could SOCKS proxying over SSH perform the same purpose ? Could I for example stream my Jellyfin server the same way I currently do over wireguard?

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              • jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ jonah@mastodon.neat.computer

                RE: https://mastodon.thenewoil.org/@thenewoil/115971195227745876

                Next up will be a VPN ban. Many tech-y people will see that and think “lol yeah well that’s not going to stop *me* from using a VPN”

                A VPN ban isn’t really meant stop you from using one. It means when they catch you doing so, they’ll use the fact you’re using this harmless technology itself as a *pretense* to lock you up without needing to do any “hard work” (i.e. an investigator’s job) like actually confirming whether you committed a real crime.

                Don’t think you won’t be impacted just because you know how to outsmart an ISP filter! This is not a plan to protect children or stop you from consuming adult media. It is a ploy to eventually eliminate ALL freedom of expression and free access to information in the UK.

                And the same goes for Chat Control and encrypted messengers, btw

                #UKpol #VPNban #PornHub #ChatControl #Privacy #FreeSpeech #SocialMedia

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                #8

                @jonah

                UK users complaining about vpn blocks.

                That is The dream of Keir Srtalin Starmer and Shabhana Mahmood who dreams about total surveillance and knowing the thoughts of every citizen better than the person themselves.

                Friends of israel Financed, genocide supporting Repressive Labour must go.

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                • greylinux@floss.socialG greylinux@floss.social

                  @paul @jonah I've never heard of this before. I currently have wireguard as my main way to access my local network services. If they ban VPN's, could SOCKS proxying over SSH perform the same purpose ? Could I for example stream my Jellyfin server the same way I currently do over wireguard?

                  paul@notnull.spaceP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  @Greylinux @jonah technically... Yes. Although it is a bit more technical to set up than a VPN server.
                  It should work for a Jellyfin server as is, but sometimes I find doing a more specific remote tunnel is better for this (and a lot better if the client does not have proxy settings)

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                  • paul@notnull.spaceP paul@notnull.space

                    @Greylinux @jonah technically... Yes. Although it is a bit more technical to set up than a VPN server.
                    It should work for a Jellyfin server as is, but sometimes I find doing a more specific remote tunnel is better for this (and a lot better if the client does not have proxy settings)

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                    #10

                    @paul @jonah have you got a recommended guide for this sort of thing ? I'm just searching now to get ahead of the curve should the worst happen.

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                    • jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ jonah@mastodon.neat.computer

                      RE: https://mastodon.thenewoil.org/@thenewoil/115971195227745876

                      Next up will be a VPN ban. Many tech-y people will see that and think “lol yeah well that’s not going to stop *me* from using a VPN”

                      A VPN ban isn’t really meant stop you from using one. It means when they catch you doing so, they’ll use the fact you’re using this harmless technology itself as a *pretense* to lock you up without needing to do any “hard work” (i.e. an investigator’s job) like actually confirming whether you committed a real crime.

                      Don’t think you won’t be impacted just because you know how to outsmart an ISP filter! This is not a plan to protect children or stop you from consuming adult media. It is a ploy to eventually eliminate ALL freedom of expression and free access to information in the UK.

                      And the same goes for Chat Control and encrypted messengers, btw

                      #UKpol #VPNban #PornHub #ChatControl #Privacy #FreeSpeech #SocialMedia

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                      #11

                      @jonah Part of the problem is not having the Second Amendment to make the government think twice about rounding people up for "porn violations" by VPN.

                      Here most of the South has age verification laws and is thus blocked, but VPN bans are going nowhere and no proposal has included individual criminalization to my knowledge.

                      Also note that Tor is a real bear for ISPs or governments to block. Even China's Great Firewall can only stop some Tor traffic, some of the time.

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                      • paul@notnull.spaceP paul@notnull.space

                        @Greylinux @jonah technically... Yes. Although it is a bit more technical to set up than a VPN server.
                        It should work for a Jellyfin server as is, but sometimes I find doing a more specific remote tunnel is better for this (and a lot better if the client does not have proxy settings)

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                        #12

                        @paul @Greylinux @jonah

                        I think Jonah has being sarcastic there. Like, yes, technically you could use a non-VPN VPN, but its still basically a VPN and if VPNs are banned, would probably still be illegal enough if whatever government is in power ever needs a pretext to just grab you.

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                        • rastilin@aus.socialR rastilin@aus.social

                          @paul @Greylinux @jonah

                          I think Jonah has being sarcastic there. Like, yes, technically you could use a non-VPN VPN, but its still basically a VPN and if VPNs are banned, would probably still be illegal enough if whatever government is in power ever needs a pretext to just grab you.

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                          #13

                          @rastilin @Greylinux @jonah ah, sarcasm, if only I thought of using that... 😁

                          But yes, you're absolutely right, any government would have absolutely no idea about the difference between a VPN and routing specifix traffic via an alternative path than it would normally go.
                          And I'll see them in court.

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