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  • gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @lokeloski dev seems to be the only one thinking they can replace their own job with AI and everything will be fine

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    #13

    @gkrnours @lokeloski I think that's a niche effect, like considering all the OP to be "creators" and asking why they all think LLMs can do their jobs.

    A C++ developer might think that LLM generated Python code is no worse than what they'd write, while a Python dev thinks the same about C++ code. They can both be right, because their cross-field abilities are low.

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    • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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      #14

      @lokeloski I've said more than once that AI is a genius at everything except those subjects you know a lot about. 😉

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      • faoluin@chitter.xyzF faoluin@chitter.xyz

        @lokeloski My job says we should only use it if we already have expertise on the subject... in which case, why use it at all?

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        #15

        @faoluin @lokeloski we can either use it for writing code or writing tests, either way we're entirely responsible for what we contribute.

        The junior-ish who was wildly excited is now regretting his decision to spend more time writing tests and at least originally he hoped to spend less time writing code. But the joy of being a junior is that you learn so much so fast!

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        • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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          #16

          @lokeloski

          AKA? AI usage is driven by the Dunning-Kruger effect…

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          • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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            #17

            @lokeloski AI generation is a useful facimile in a place where nothing would have also been a more or less acceptable alternative.

            Which begs the question as to why we're wasting so much money on it.

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            • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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              #18

              @lokeloski Nice! It's like the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect, but for AI output.

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              • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                #19

                @lokeloski I wonder if this is an Adobe Creative Campus.

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                • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                  #20

                  @lokeloski Interesting I've also observed a dynamic where if someone - most commonly programmers - sees an LLM producing output that passes initial inspection or does something that they would consider a mark of human-level competence, there's a chance that they're completely beguiled by it and conclude from that point on that LLMs are now basically operating at approximately that competence level across *all fields*. The psychodynamics of it are really alarming and, clearly, socially corrosive.

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                  • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                    #21

                    @lokeloski

                    This is why CEOs assume it can do everything, because they don't know how to do anything.

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                    • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                      #22

                      @lokeloski and CEOs think it can replace everything. I wonder why...

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                      • ratsnakegames@mastodon.socialR ratsnakegames@mastodon.social

                        @lokeloski the subtext here is also that at least some artists do not consider other artistic fields "real" art

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                        #23

                        @ratsnakegames @lokeloski
                        Absolutely, what we do not know intimately we make assumptions about...
                        They 'just' do their thing, how could it possibly be as important, complex and difficult as the work that I am doing?

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                        • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                          #24

                          @lokeloski
                          I recently went to an opera where the composer was not only present but also performing as one of the soloists, among five other vocalists, along with a men's choir, accompanied by a full orchestra.

                          The backdrop to this rich contribution to human musical art was AI visuals projected onto a screen.

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                          • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                            #25

                            @lokeloski
                            alt-text screenshot of post by magicmooshka from Jan 7:
                            recently my friend's comics professor told her that it's acceptable to use gen AI for script-writing but not for art, since a machine can't generate meaningful artistic work. meanwhile, my sisters screenwriting professor said that they can use gen AI for concept art and visualization, but that it won't be able to generate script that's any good. and at my job, 1/2

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                            • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

                              @lokeloski
                              alt-text screenshot of post by magicmooshka from Jan 7:
                              recently my friend's comics professor told her that it's acceptable to use gen AI for script-writing but not for art, since a machine can't generate meaningful artistic work. meanwhile, my sisters screenwriting professor said that they can use gen AI for concept art and visualization, but that it won't be able to generate script that's any good. and at my job, 1/2

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                              #26

                              it seems like each department says that AI can be useful in every field except the one that they know best.

                              it's only ever the jobs we're unfamiliar with that we assume can be replaced with automation.
                              The more attuned we are with certain processes, crafts and occupations, the more we realize that gen AI will never be able to provide a suitable replacement. The case for its existence relies on our ignorance of the work and skill required to be everything we don't. 2/2

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                              • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

                                it seems like each department says that AI can be useful in every field except the one that they know best.

                                it's only ever the jobs we're unfamiliar with that we assume can be replaced with automation.
                                The more attuned we are with certain processes, crafts and occupations, the more we realize that gen AI will never be able to provide a suitable replacement. The case for its existence relies on our ignorance of the work and skill required to be everything we don't. 2/2

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                                #27

                                strange conclusions by those professors,
                                in my mind it works differently,
                                when I say #salami output in a field where I'm expert and judge it to be inferior and conclude so-marketed gen AI will not be a competition, I would conclude this is valid for a l l other fields as well, and I as a dilettante in all other fields can be tricked to accept generated output as valid.

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                                • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

                                  strange conclusions by those professors,
                                  in my mind it works differently,
                                  when I say #salami output in a field where I'm expert and judge it to be inferior and conclude so-marketed gen AI will not be a competition, I would conclude this is valid for a l l other fields as well, and I as a dilettante in all other fields can be tricked to accept generated output as valid.

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                                  #28

                                  the reason why mentioned professors and departments are willing to accept #salami output in other fields than theirs, may be caused by several year long propaganda on almost any channel, that claim we are living in a AI era, and that this is t h e new technology to be used, we see huge investments and think no one would just burn money on such a flawed dysfunctional slop generating "invention" so it must work

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                                  • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

                                    the reason why mentioned professors and departments are willing to accept #salami output in other fields than theirs, may be caused by several year long propaganda on almost any channel, that claim we are living in a AI era, and that this is t h e new technology to be used, we see huge investments and think no one would just burn money on such a flawed dysfunctional slop generating "invention" so it must work

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                                    #29

                                    stock prices are driven by this wild marketing stunt

                                    7 titles dominate the S&P500 index, all 7 are in full hype cycle

                                    this bubble has to go
                                    this bubble will go
                                    soon

                                    #salami aka #AI #AGI #genAI

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                                    • lokeloski@mastodon.socialL lokeloski@mastodon.social

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                                      #30

                                      @lokeloski Gell-Mann Amnesia.

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                                      • adrianriskin@kolektiva.socialA adrianriskin@kolektiva.social

                                        @lokeloski

                                        It's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect all over again.

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                                        The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a claimed cognitive bias describing the tendency of individuals to critically assess media reports in a domain they are knowledgeable about, yet continue to trust reporting in other areas despite recognizing similar potential inaccuracies.

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

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                                        #31

                                        @AdrianRiskin @lokeloski or more generally the egocentric bias. Veritasium has a nice video on this: https://youtu.be/3LopI4YeC4I?si=ZV6CuklywzLekwHd

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                                        • adrianriskin@kolektiva.socialA adrianriskin@kolektiva.social

                                          @lokeloski

                                          It's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect all over again.

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                                          The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a claimed cognitive bias describing the tendency of individuals to critically assess media reports in a domain they are knowledgeable about, yet continue to trust reporting in other areas despite recognizing similar potential inaccuracies.

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

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                                          #32

                                          @AdrianRiskin @lokeloski It's one of the reasons that, when pointing out that I do not like Generative LLMs for the work they output, I do emphasize that it's not just *my* programming expertise that I feel this for.

                                          Like, I feel the same way for books; if you wrote it with an LLM, and we can see because a prompt made it into the printed version, that tells me that you did not read what you claimed to have "Wrote" with an LLM - why should I read it then, when I know it can do the same thing it can do for math, or coding, or images?

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