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If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks.

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  • alivedevil@tauri.earthA alivedevil@tauri.earth

    @utf_7 @osm_tech

    App developers can embed some "Sdk" into their apps or games.
    The developer receives money.
    The "Sdk"-provider proxies requests through these apps and games, to gain residential IPs.
    And scrapers can buy these services, to tunnel their requests from residential IPs.

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    #32

    @AliveDevil @utf_7 @osm_tech how do I know of any of my installed apps is doing this crap? Could that be just buried in terms of use? Or would I need to give it explicit consent?

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    • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

      If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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      #33

      @osm_tech
      @leah just recently discussed the same topic from the perspective of a web hosting provider in the @chaosradio podcast.

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      • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

        If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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        lmieldazis@mastodon.social
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        #34

        @osm_tech @geerlingguy I would 100% watch a video about that. Just throwing it out there 🙂

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        • luksfarris@ruby.socialL luksfarris@ruby.social

          @AliveDevil @utf_7 @osm_tech how do I know of any of my installed apps is doing this crap? Could that be just buried in terms of use? Or would I need to give it explicit consent?

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          #35

          @luksfarris @utf_7

          Probably terms of use, but this is so shady, that I doubt anyone would even bother disclosing this.
          Best you can do: Monitor network traffic, and use DNS block lists for these known proxy services.

          They definitely won't ask you for consent.
          The only way to know an app _doesn't_ use these services is checking for the "requires internet access"-flag in AppStores, but that is basically futile, as most apps require internet access for … something.

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          • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

            If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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            #36

            @osm_tech @suka_hiroaki

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            • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

              If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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              #37

              @osm_tech @schellevis @laurensvhg ?

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              • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                #38

                @osm_tech I wonder if there's a way to fail2ban requests coming in faster than typically found in human requests.

                osm_tech@en.osm.townO thatprilla@theatl.socialT nicd@masto.ahlcode.fiN 3 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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                • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                  If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                  #39

                  @osm_tech @jzb ?

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                  • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                    If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                    linux@bahn.social
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                    #40

                    @osm_tech
                    Maybe @adfichter for @republik_magazin ?

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                    • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                      If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                      glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
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                      #41

                      @osm_tech

                      #emacswiki is now blocked for me, since they block complete networks from which they're hammered.

                      I can understand them, but now the internet becomes slowly unusable for the rest of us: Small service providers, those of us unfortunately having to share a network with abusers.

                      I am pretty angry now. It's not just that we cannot use (or want to use) all that new "tech".

                      No. It's now actively damaging also and especially pretty low tech uses of the Internet (like running a wiki on a home sever).

                      Did I say, I am pretty angry now?

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                      • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                        If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                        #42

                        @osm_tech maybe @sjvn ?

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                        • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                          If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                          #43

                          @osm_tech @evawolfangel #hint , vielleicht was für dich.

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                          • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                            If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                            #44

                            @osm_tech if you have anyone with a good microphone/audio setup, who's willing to speak on a podcast, I'd be happy to record something for one of the @latenightlinux shows.

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                            • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                              If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                              eigen@mattstodon.panar.ooo
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                              #45

                              @osm_tech anything I can volunteer to help?

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                              • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                                If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                                #46

                                @osm_tech
                                @404mediaco @josephcox

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                                • utf_7@mastodon.socialU utf_7@mastodon.social

                                  @osm_tech what is a embedded-Sdk network?

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                                  #47

                                  @utf_7 See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhie14YKa-w&t=790s

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                                  • claireh@blahaj.zoneC claireh@blahaj.zone

                                    @osm_tech@en.osm.town 404 media might be interested in this - they've been doing a lot of pieces about the impact of AI

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                                    #48

                                    @ClaireH @osm_tech @404mediaco here's a good story idea, OSM is having issues with AI scrapers

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                                    • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                                      If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                                      jakobthomsen@urbanists.social
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                                      #49

                                      @osm_tech perhaps people at the Chaos Computer Club would be interested to look into that:
                                      https://www.ccc.de/en/
                                      Or maybe someone at Netzpolitik:
                                      https://netzpolitik.org/

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                                      • fuzzle@chaos.socialF fuzzle@chaos.social

                                        @osm_tech @evawolfangel #hint , vielleicht was für dich.

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                                        #50

                                        @fuzzle @osm_tech Oder @heiseonline oder @netzpolitik_feed

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                                        • L lmieldazis@mastodon.social

                                          @osm_tech @geerlingguy I would 100% watch a video about that. Just throwing it out there 🙂

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                                          #51

                                          @LMieldazis @geerlingguy oooh do we get to show him our out-of-band (remote access) Raspberry Pi with dual power feeds, 4G modem and loads of serial connections? Saved our skin a good few times.

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