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If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks.

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  • magezwitscher@det.socialM magezwitscher@det.social

    @dalias @BalooUriza But that is one of the points @osm_tech are making in their post. These crawlers resort to using massive amounts of "scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks" - meaning they are using Adware-infested phones all over the world for their scraping attaks. So banning IP ranges won't help much. Playing cat-and-mouse with these scrapers is resource intensive, which is increasingly hard for FOSS projects and is also driving up cost for commercial offerings.

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    #102

    @magezwitscher @BalooUriza @osm_tech Not ranges. Just the single IP, and a short-lived ban. All you need to do is get them down from thousands of requests per minute to one request per hour (because they get banned for an hour each time they start again).

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    • mimesatwork@wandering.shopM mimesatwork@wandering.shop

      @robz @osm_tech And who is it going to reach?

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      #103

      @Mimesatwork @osm_tech The same people this message reached for a start.

      Journalists no longer have the reach you think they do. They have become extremely unreliable.

      Write the post, spread it the same way they spread their request for a journo...

      They got at least you and I and the person who shared it with me initially so... they have some reach, especially into the people who care about this kind of thing.

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      • mrgrumpymonkey@mastodon.socialM mrgrumpymonkey@mastodon.social

        @osm_tech Pinging @GarretSidzaka as he might have some leads.

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        #104

        @mrgrumpymonkey @osm_tech
        Brian Krebs is on it

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        • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

          If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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          #105

          @osm_tech hey, @arstechnica it is not only @wikipedia that suffers

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          • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

            If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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            #106

            @osm_tech Good luck finding a journalist in 2026.

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            • corbet@social.kernel.orgC corbet@social.kernel.org
              @osm_tech You are definitely not alone: https://lwn.net/Articles/1008897/ The situation is not sustainable but I'm not sure what we do about it beyond waiting for the AI bubble to burst.
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              #107

              @corbet @osm_tech I don't have answers either but I hope something emerges because waiting for the bubble to burst still may face the "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent" problem.

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              • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                #108

                @suka_hiroaki ↑

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                • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                  If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                  #109

                  @osm_tech Heise has written about it in German/English.

                  https://www.heise.de/en/news/OpenStreetMap-is-concerned-thousands-of-AI-bots-are-collecting-data-11157359.html

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                  • thatprilla@theatl.socialT thatprilla@theatl.social

                    @osm_tech

                    I feel for yall. These residential proxies and the sdk networks are the bane of my existence and I’m paid to deal with them.

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                    #110

                    @ThatPrilla @osm_tech It would be very useful with a tool running on ISP hardware that could detect residential proxies. Or is there anything we can stuff into our DNS'es to blackhole the proxies backbone?

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                    • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                      If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                      #111
                      @osm_tech Ping @404mediaco
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                      • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                        If you write about the messy reality behind "free" internet services: we're seeing #OpenStreetMap hammered by scrapers hiding behind residential proxy/embedded-SDK networks. We're a volunteer-run service and the costs are real. We'd love to talk to a journalist about what we're seeing + how we're responding. #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                        #112

                        @osm_tech might be a thing @davidgerard could do on pivot

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                        • F froztbyte@mastodon.social

                          @osm_tech might be a thing @davidgerard could do on pivot

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                          #113

                          @froztbyte @osm_tech yeah i'm getting the same AI assholes

                          as is @RationalWiki (i'm the sysadmin trying to keep the site up in the face of the hammering - we can either lose Google search listing, or we can be literally unusable for humans)

                          as is @corbet at Linux Weekly News - OSM might be relevant to LWN, a free content project getting hammered by the AI bots

                          they botnet suburban Android boxes

                          covered it a bit previously on Pivot:

                          https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/06/02/fighting-the-ai-scraper-bots-at-pivot-to-ai-and-rationalwiki/
                          https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/09/07/the-ai-scraper-bots-are-hammering-pivot-to-ai-again-please-test/

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                          • sjvn@mastodon.socialS sjvn@mastodon.social

                            @osm_tech Tell me more. You can reach me at sjvn01 <at> gmail.com

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                            #114

                            @sjvn @osm_tech do contact sjvn!

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