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Sometimes, people on Facebook don't know the Fediverse exists.

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  • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

    Sometimes, people on Facebook don't know the Fediverse exists.
    The European Commission likes to tell them. 💜 😉

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    #11

    @hpod16 😍

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    • lucien@toot.communityL lucien@toot.community

      @hpod16 I agree 😁 I ended up on Reddit rabbit holes and documentation pages to learn some things. This user type will however not search and if they can't ask their friends or family for help, they give up.

      Still, steps are taken to make this process more user friendly, which is great!

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      #12

      @lucien also, you have to bear in mind that when we reply to public comments, it isn't just for the benefit of the one person who commented, but for anyone else who may be lurking in the comments sections.
      And: usually you have to hear about a new product a number of times before you try it out. So, many baby steps, one big goal.

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      • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

        @lucien also, you have to bear in mind that when we reply to public comments, it isn't just for the benefit of the one person who commented, but for anyone else who may be lurking in the comments sections.
        And: usually you have to hear about a new product a number of times before you try it out. So, many baby steps, one big goal.

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        #13

        @hpod16 the world was not built in a day 😁 and there's certainly more interest from EU users these days, which is great!

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        • anachronistjohn@zia.ioA anachronistjohn@zia.io
          @jztusk @haubles @lucien @hpod16 ...and @hannah 😄
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          #14

          @AnachronistJohn @haubles @jztusk @hannah @lucien
          Are we just tagging other Hannahs now? 😆 💜

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          • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

            Sometimes, people on Facebook don't know the Fediverse exists.
            The European Commission likes to tell them. 💜 😉

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            #15

            @hpod16@eupolicy.social Oh, that's cool!

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            • szkodnix@sk.szkod.ovhS szkodnix@sk.szkod.ovh

              @hpod16@eupolicy.social Oh, that's cool!

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              #16

              @szkodnix any opportunity to promote Fedi
              (Although on second reading I admit that could have been better phrased, they are asking for an EU-only platform and Fedi is global...)

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              • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                @szkodnix any opportunity to promote Fedi
                (Although on second reading I admit that could have been better phrased, they are asking for an EU-only platform and Fedi is global...)

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                #17

                @hpod16@eupolicy.social Well... Fedi servers can theoretically defederate with some non-EU servers but I'm not sure if that kind of server exists ​​

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                • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                  Sometimes, people on Facebook don't know the Fediverse exists.
                  The European Commission likes to tell them. 💜 😉

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                  #18

                  @hpod16 Lately I'm not happy by much stuff EU championed, especially on the digital world but I love this! Especially because instead of trying and failing to build and push their own solution as governments tends to do they promote a grassroots movement.

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                  • lucien@toot.communityL lucien@toot.community

                    @hpod16 the problem is that the same people that don't know will run into lots of UX issues when trying Fediverse. I know a few sadly...

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                    #19

                    @lucien @hpod16 What's wrong with #Mastodon's #UX? I think it's great. I find it to be about as usable as #X, maybe even less confusing due to the lack of feature creep.

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                    • jztusk@mastodon.socialJ jztusk@mastodon.social

                      @lucien @hpod16

                      The Fediverse has a great collection of techies creating the protocols and infrastructure. What we're missing is the folks helping regular people use it.

                      Hopefully folks like Hannah will start creating that layer. Not just through advocacy, but by hiring staff dedicated to helping people use it.

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                      #20

                      @jztusk @lucien @hpod16 You should get in touch with @FediTips.

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                      • realcaseyrollins@noauthority.socialR realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social

                        @lucien @hpod16 What's wrong with #Mastodon's #UX? I think it's great. I find it to be about as usable as #X, maybe even less confusing due to the lack of feature creep.

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                        #21

                        @realcaseyrollins @lucien
                        for me, it took some time to get used to the federated nature.
                        For example, if I am on my EUPolicy server and I open a link to a mastodon.social profile, I won't be logged into my EUPolicy account and can't directly interact. I have to find them in my search bar. It's not a huge thing, but it lead to some hang-ups.
                        I was shameless enough to admit I was struggling with this, and people in the comments just walked me through the process. Good community here.

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                        • realcaseyrollins@noauthority.socialR realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social

                          @lucien @hpod16 What's wrong with #Mastodon's #UX? I think it's great. I find it to be about as usable as #X, maybe even less confusing due to the lack of feature creep.

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                          #22

                          @realcaseyrollins @hpod16 this are the top ones that I observed:
                          - Server selection onboarding. This is number one, you'll find plenty of posts online with confused users. Though Mastodon works on improving it soon it seems.
                          - Limited search and discovery (bottlenecked by the server)
                          - Broken uploads because of dead CDNs
                          - Confusing 'DM' feature

                          These all make sense to me and are ok, but casual Joe will struggle.

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                          • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                            Sometimes, people on Facebook don't know the Fediverse exists.
                            The European Commission likes to tell them. 💜 😉

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                            #23

                            @hpod16 The state of things. X has 650 Million Active users and Mastodon has 2.5 million. There is a reason. #Musk #Mastodon #SocialMedia

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                            • misswarcraft@mastodon.socialM misswarcraft@mastodon.social

                              @hpod16 The state of things. X has 650 Million Active users and Mastodon has 2.5 million. There is a reason. #Musk #Mastodon #SocialMedia

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                              #24

                              @MissWarcraft I would say there are many reasons.
                              I also think that Mastodon just doesn't have a large marketing budget, that would be useful to get people on board.
                              That, and I think the initial step of choosing a server can be offputting

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                              • lucien@toot.communityL lucien@toot.community

                                @realcaseyrollins @hpod16 this are the top ones that I observed:
                                - Server selection onboarding. This is number one, you'll find plenty of posts online with confused users. Though Mastodon works on improving it soon it seems.
                                - Limited search and discovery (bottlenecked by the server)
                                - Broken uploads because of dead CDNs
                                - Confusing 'DM' feature

                                These all make sense to me and are ok, but casual Joe will struggle.

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                                #25

                                @lucien @realcaseyrollins
                                Yeah, I have to say the "private mentions" are interesting. I like that I can take a discussion from public to private within the same thread.

                                I like the private mentions, but they aren't DMs.
                                And maybe it's ok not to have DMs for now?

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                                • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                                  @lucien @realcaseyrollins
                                  Yeah, I have to say the "private mentions" are interesting. I like that I can take a discussion from public to private within the same thread.

                                  I like the private mentions, but they aren't DMs.
                                  And maybe it's ok not to have DMs for now?

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                                  #26

                                  @hpod16 @lucien I thought that private mentions are DMs. What's the difference between those and DMs?

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                                  • realcaseyrollins@noauthority.socialR realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social

                                    @hpod16 @lucien I thought that private mentions are DMs. What's the difference between those and DMs?

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                                    #27

                                    @realcaseyrollins @hpod16 they are indeed, or an equivalent of them. They're like any other post/reply, only restricted between the 2 (or more) participants and not e2e encrypted.

                                    The issue is that most users are looking for a 'DM' or 'Message' button and struggle to understand that this is how you 'privately' message someone.

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                                    • realcaseyrollins@noauthority.socialR realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social

                                      @hpod16 @lucien I thought that private mentions are DMs. What's the difference between those and DMs?

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                                      #28

                                      @realcaseyrollins @lucien,
                                      Well, in my view, DMs would land in an inbox, and create a continuous back and forth between two people.
                                      If I stopped answered to your DMs, you would notice next time you opened your inbox.
                                      Private mentions happen in threads under posts. When I stop answering there, you probably wouldn't notice.
                                      I phrase it like this, because as a girl on the internet... I CAN get creeps in my DMs. So maybe I like that things are a bit more... decentralised here. Makes sense?

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                                      • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                                        @realcaseyrollins @lucien,
                                        Well, in my view, DMs would land in an inbox, and create a continuous back and forth between two people.
                                        If I stopped answered to your DMs, you would notice next time you opened your inbox.
                                        Private mentions happen in threads under posts. When I stop answering there, you probably wouldn't notice.
                                        I phrase it like this, because as a girl on the internet... I CAN get creeps in my DMs. So maybe I like that things are a bit more... decentralised here. Makes sense?

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                                        #29

                                        @hpod16 @realcaseyrollins and to your point, that's probably a good reason for not having fully fledged 'DMs'.

                                        I also don't like people popping in my inbox uninvited...

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                                        • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                                          @lucien also, you have to bear in mind that when we reply to public comments, it isn't just for the benefit of the one person who commented, but for anyone else who may be lurking in the comments sections.
                                          And: usually you have to hear about a new product a number of times before you try it out. So, many baby steps, one big goal.

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                                          #30

                                          @hpod16 @lucien 🎯 This is the way. People need to hear it.

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