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  • aus_der_ubahn@norden.socialA aus_der_ubahn@norden.social

    @VisualStuart @adipoeserPursch They are going to send those indian immigrants to where they came from, harhar!
    </irony>

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    #18

    @aus_der_UBahn @VisualStuart @adipoeserPursch
    There was a time when the members of the 500 nations were forced to live in reservations.
    Comming back soon!

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    • visualstuart@pdx.socialV visualstuart@pdx.social

      What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.

      Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

      https://apnews.com/article/ice-minneapolis-tribal-citizens-immigration-detention-29ac43de85569b80bd64875388097ab6

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      #19

      @VisualStuart

      soooo. we're at the 'govt kidnapping and holding for ransom stage' now.....

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      • angeldruckt@sueden.socialA angeldruckt@sueden.social

        @VisualStuart
        "Tribal members" aren't they what I learned in the 1980's to call "native Americans"?!

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        #20

        @angeldruckt Tribal members are Native Americans, however the term tribal members in this case also indicates that they are registered members of a federally recognized tribe.

        By contrast, the Chinook of the Pacific Northwest are not a federally recognized tribe which denies Chinook members access to federal healthcare, housing, and education benefits.

        https://chinooknation.org/recognition/

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        • visualstuart@pdx.socialV visualstuart@pdx.social

          @angeldruckt Tribal members are Native Americans, however the term tribal members in this case also indicates that they are registered members of a federally recognized tribe.

          By contrast, the Chinook of the Pacific Northwest are not a federally recognized tribe which denies Chinook members access to federal healthcare, housing, and education benefits.

          https://chinooknation.org/recognition/

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          #21

          @VisualStuart
          I didn't consider "tribal members" as somehow false, but I wondered myself how Natives could be forced to apply for immigration.

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          • visualstuart@pdx.socialV visualstuart@pdx.social

            What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.

            Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

            https://apnews.com/article/ice-minneapolis-tribal-citizens-immigration-detention-29ac43de85569b80bd64875388097ab6

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            @VisualStuart “Homeland Security refused to release more information, unless the tribe “entered into an immigration agreement with ICE.””

            The heck kind of agreement?

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            • visualstuart@pdx.socialV visualstuart@pdx.social

              What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.

              Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

              https://apnews.com/article/ice-minneapolis-tribal-citizens-immigration-detention-29ac43de85569b80bd64875388097ab6

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              #23

              @VisualStuart so, hostages

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              • ah_99@mastodonapp.ukA ah_99@mastodonapp.uk

                @FediThing @VisualStuart
                Probably India 🙄

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                #24

                @AH_99 @VisualStuart

                It would not be surprising if ICE tried to do that 😞

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                • huntingdon@mstdn.socialH huntingdon@mstdn.social

                  @VisualStuart

                  I presume habeas corpus petitions will be filed shortly, to find out where and on what basis ICE is detaining three US citizen Oglala Sioux.

                  ICE's has very limited police powers. They are restricted to immigration enforcement. They have no authority to make random stops, to detain generally, or to enter into any private space without a warrant signed by an Art. III judge.

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                  #25

                  @huntingdon @VisualStuart ICE has any power they take for themselves until someone actually stops them. And juridical methods don’t count at ”stopping” unless there is actual enforcement.

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                  • visualstuart@pdx.socialV visualstuart@pdx.social

                    What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.

                    Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

                    https://apnews.com/article/ice-minneapolis-tribal-citizens-immigration-detention-29ac43de85569b80bd64875388097ab6

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                    #26

                    @VisualStuart

                    German here. Sorry to inform you, but our history shows that it is not relevant whether or not you are citizen of your own country when fascism gets to do its stuff.

                    There is no right side to be on in such a system. The border line between being right and wrong person may shift any time. You can be next.

                    This is not about immigrants or native Americans. It is about whether or not you are a person fitting into a scheme of a fascist system – nor not.

                    I guess this is why some YouTubers have replaced the term ICE with "Gestapo".

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                    • trimtab@mastodon.socialT trimtab@mastodon.social

                      @VisualStuart Native Americans aren't white enough. That's a crime with this government.

                      And where are the dems? Slurping scum off the underbrush somewhere like the spineless slugs they are.

                      I say to hell with Blue and Red. They are both failures. We need new and better ideas in govt.

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                      #27

                      @TrimTab @VisualStuart historically the people vote for whoever promises copius looting opportunities from pillaging the undesirables. unfortunately there's a viscous rumour going around the green party plans to pay out in trump coins instead of dhs contracts so they don't get any love at the polls. lettuce for everyone #votegreen

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                      • angeldruckt@sueden.socialA angeldruckt@sueden.social

                        @VisualStuart
                        I didn't consider "tribal members" as somehow false, but I wondered myself how Natives could be forced to apply for immigration.

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                        @angeldruckt @VisualStuart The agreement could be a legal immunity agreement. Tribes vs fed govt has a different standing than fed govt and indiv citizens. Likely US is contravening a treaty with a legally designated nation, here, and wants a get out of jail free to let its members go. My guess anyway

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