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Yesterday, my #computer started to randomly freeze.

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  • mina@berlin.socialM mina@berlin.social

    Yesterday, my #computer started to randomly freeze.

    I.e. it becomes completely unresponsive. Most of the time, the mouse cursor still moves, but clicking doesn't do anything.

    Keyboard inputs have no effect whatsoever.

    Video playback stops immediately, audio after a couple of seconds.

    Sounds like an issue with faulty memory, or what do you think?

    Edit: Turned out, it was an Nvidia driver issue.

    Now fixed.

    alemm@fedi.latA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #4

    @mina nothing better than a running a memtest before you go to sleep and check you storage's health too

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    • nemo@mas.toN nemo@mas.to

      @mina overheating? Plug in a live usb stick see how it reacts there.

      If have dual ram and ram indeed is the culprit see if the behaviour changes one when you remove them one by one.

      This one is also quite handy and nice to know https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Magic_SysRQ/

      💡

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      #5

      @nemo

      I have 4 memory banks, so removing 1 is no big deal. I will try by removing 1 at a time.

      Overheating is not an issue. When this started, I watched the temperatur sensors, and none has ever surpassed 70°.

      Thanks for the link. I didn't know the "Magic SysRQ".

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      • musenhain@friendica.andreaskilgus.deM musenhain@friendica.andreaskilgus.de
        @mina No heavy swapping? If on Linux, have you tried to manually activate the OOM killer (Magic SysRq + F) when your system becomes unresponsive?
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        #6

        @musenhain

        Not yet. I have to read into this, as something like that hasn't been an issue for decades.

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        • alemm@fedi.latA alemm@fedi.lat

          @mina nothing better than a running a memtest before you go to sleep and check you storage's health too

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          #7

          @alemm

          Sounds like a sensible plan.

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          • mina@berlin.socialM mina@berlin.social

            @nemo

            I have 4 memory banks, so removing 1 is no big deal. I will try by removing 1 at a time.

            Overheating is not an issue. When this started, I watched the temperatur sensors, and none has ever surpassed 70°.

            Thanks for the link. I didn't know the "Magic SysRQ".

            nemo@mas.toN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            @mina No problemo you're welcome.

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            • mina@berlin.socialM mina@berlin.social

              @alemm

              Sounds like a sensible plan.

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              #9

              @mina @alemm and run all built in selftests.

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              • mina@berlin.socialM mina@berlin.social

                Yesterday, my #computer started to randomly freeze.

                I.e. it becomes completely unresponsive. Most of the time, the mouse cursor still moves, but clicking doesn't do anything.

                Keyboard inputs have no effect whatsoever.

                Video playback stops immediately, audio after a couple of seconds.

                Sounds like an issue with faulty memory, or what do you think?

                Edit: Turned out, it was an Nvidia driver issue.

                Now fixed.

                ula_umsonstladen@berlin.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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                #10

                @mina

                Do you had a system upgrade recently? There's an issue with GTK4.18 as I remember.

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                • ula_umsonstladen@berlin.socialU ula_umsonstladen@berlin.social

                  @mina

                  Do you had a system upgrade recently? There's an issue with GTK4.18 as I remember.

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                  #11

                  @ula_umsonstladen

                  Danke für den Tipp!

                  Leider ist das wohl nicht das Problem.

                  Meine Version ist 3.24.41

                  Aber: Mit dem 2. RAM-Riegel ausgebaut, ist jetzt seit einer halben Stunde nichts passiert.

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                  • mina@berlin.socialM mina@berlin.social

                    Yesterday, my #computer started to randomly freeze.

                    I.e. it becomes completely unresponsive. Most of the time, the mouse cursor still moves, but clicking doesn't do anything.

                    Keyboard inputs have no effect whatsoever.

                    Video playback stops immediately, audio after a couple of seconds.

                    Sounds like an issue with faulty memory, or what do you think?

                    Edit: Turned out, it was an Nvidia driver issue.

                    Now fixed.

                    hallunke23@troet.cafeH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #12

                    I have this issue as well. I replaced most of my hardware since it started but it's still happening.

                    @mina

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                    • hallunke23@troet.cafeH hallunke23@troet.cafe

                      I have this issue as well. I replaced most of my hardware since it started but it's still happening.

                      @mina

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                      #13

                      @hallunke23

                      Shit. I hope, we can fix our respective issues!

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                      • mina@berlin.socialM mina@berlin.social

                        Yesterday, my #computer started to randomly freeze.

                        I.e. it becomes completely unresponsive. Most of the time, the mouse cursor still moves, but clicking doesn't do anything.

                        Keyboard inputs have no effect whatsoever.

                        Video playback stops immediately, audio after a couple of seconds.

                        Sounds like an issue with faulty memory, or what do you think?

                        Edit: Turned out, it was an Nvidia driver issue.

                        Now fixed.

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                        #14

                        @mina or memory exhaustion. I have seen similar behaviour, especially when the swap partition was on an encrypted partition as then every read from swap has to go through the decryption but before that, the evicted page has to be encrypted. I have observed load values >70 in those situations. After a while, oomkiller will terminate a process, quite often the browser, and the system will become responsive again.
                        Since most newer distributions have moved to zram for swap, this has become rarer

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                        • pjakobs@mastodon.greenP pjakobs@mastodon.green

                          @mina or memory exhaustion. I have seen similar behaviour, especially when the swap partition was on an encrypted partition as then every read from swap has to go through the decryption but before that, the evicted page has to be encrypted. I have observed load values >70 in those situations. After a while, oomkiller will terminate a process, quite often the browser, and the system will become responsive again.
                          Since most newer distributions have moved to zram for swap, this has become rarer

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                          #15

                          @pjakobs

                          I don't have any encrypted partitions and with 32GB of RAM, it's hard to exhaust it, even with modern websites, I guess.

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                          • mina@berlin.socialM mina@berlin.social

                            @pjakobs

                            I don't have any encrypted partitions and with 32GB of RAM, it's hard to exhaust it, even with modern websites, I guess.

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                            #16

                            @mina I've seen it happen, albeit with uptimes >50 days and heavy Firefox use, often way more than 50 tabs.
                            Have a terminal open monitoring top/btop when it happens again.
                            Also, if you suspect hardware, have a look at dmesg

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                            • pjakobs@mastodon.greenP pjakobs@mastodon.green

                              @mina I've seen it happen, albeit with uptimes >50 days and heavy Firefox use, often way more than 50 tabs.
                              Have a terminal open monitoring top/btop when it happens again.
                              Also, if you suspect hardware, have a look at dmesg

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                              #17

                              @pjakobs

                              How can you live with so few tabs?

                              If taking memory banks out doesn't solve the problem, I will start the detective work.

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                              • mina@berlin.socialM mina@berlin.social

                                @pjakobs

                                How can you live with so few tabs?

                                If taking memory banks out doesn't solve the problem, I will start the detective work.

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                                #18

                                @mina you can also run `journalctl --boot -1` and see if there are any oops'es or other obvious failures.
                                Generally, I found that dropping a log like that into one of the typical llms can give a pretty good first hin to what possible issues might be contained in it

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                                • pjakobs@mastodon.greenP pjakobs@mastodon.green

                                  @mina you can also run `journalctl --boot -1` and see if there are any oops'es or other obvious failures.
                                  Generally, I found that dropping a log like that into one of the typical llms can give a pretty good first hin to what possible issues might be contained in it

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                                  #19

                                  @pjakobs

                                  Sounds like a good idea.

                                  Those logs have so many entries, and with most, I have no idea what they mean.

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                                  • mina@berlin.socialM mina@berlin.social

                                    @pjakobs

                                    Sounds like a good idea.

                                    Those logs have so many entries, and with most, I have no idea what they mean.

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                                    #20

                                    @mina oh, ich verwechsel das immer: --boot -1 ist der vorletzte Boot, --boot 0 der letzte (aktuelle).

                                    für Memory Issues ist auch
                                    journalctl -ke | grep -i "out of memory" hilfreich, eventuell kombiniert mit --boot -1 wenn Du gerade nach einem solchen Hänger neu gestartet hast

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                                    • pjakobs@mastodon.greenP pjakobs@mastodon.green

                                      @mina oh, ich verwechsel das immer: --boot -1 ist der vorletzte Boot, --boot 0 der letzte (aktuelle).

                                      für Memory Issues ist auch
                                      journalctl -ke | grep -i "out of memory" hilfreich, eventuell kombiniert mit --boot -1 wenn Du gerade nach einem solchen Hänger neu gestartet hast

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                                      #21

                                      @mina wenn das Problem häufig auftritt kann es auch hilfreich sein, eine Shell mit `sudo dmesg -wT` offen zu haben - das sind die live Kernel Messages - wenn der Kernel bemerkt, dass was nicht stimmt, dann wird das hier sichtbar.

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                                      • pjakobs@mastodon.greenP pjakobs@mastodon.green

                                        @mina wenn das Problem häufig auftritt kann es auch hilfreich sein, eine Shell mit `sudo dmesg -wT` offen zu haben - das sind die live Kernel Messages - wenn der Kernel bemerkt, dass was nicht stimmt, dann wird das hier sichtbar.

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                                        #22

                                        @pjakobs

                                        Das mache ich jetzt!

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                                        • pjakobs@mastodon.greenP pjakobs@mastodon.green

                                          @mina wenn das Problem häufig auftritt kann es auch hilfreich sein, eine Shell mit `sudo dmesg -wT` offen zu haben - das sind die live Kernel Messages - wenn der Kernel bemerkt, dass was nicht stimmt, dann wird das hier sichtbar.

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                                          #23

                                          @pjakobs

                                          journalctl -ke --boot -1

                                          hat's gebracht.

                                          Das Problem war (was sonst) die Nvidia GPU. Die ist gecrasht.

                                          Ich installiere gleich mal den aktuellen Treiber.

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