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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @tuban_muzuru

    the hefty bag called the reality of living in a country. and yes we are all in it. and there is no alternative. who leads us has consequences, as a whole group

    i'm not proposing a path. i'm describing the path we are on

    don't shoot the messenger

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    #64

    @benroyce

    I sure wish I was as similarly convinced of the evil of the American public. Yeah, when our leaders run amok, the thing which will convince those rogue elephants of their evil ways is to damage ordinary people who didn't do anything to anyone, just trying to run a business.

    That's "reality"

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    • paulatothepeople@climatejustice.socialP paulatothepeople@climatejustice.social

      @benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox Also, even under the premise that voting is meaningless, and Americans have to uprise instead: Voting, and getting everybody to vote is the best way to start an uprising. If millions of people vote and their votes are stolen, then they'll be motivated to uprise. If they stay home thinking their votes don't matter, and then the votes cast don't matter, all they'll do is say "I told you so".

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      #65

      @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox

      that's right

      no uprising happens just because someone starts rioting. why are they rioting? what do they stand for? who knows

      if people vote, and then the vote is denied, and the people rise up: absolutely everyone is crystal clear as to what is happening and why. so people join in, because they know the message being delivered

      so we have to vote first. otherwise there is no coherency of meaning

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      • pascaline@mastodon.nlP pascaline@mastodon.nl

        @radioclash

        Ah yes, the outcast because one doesn't like team sports. I was like that as well. Oh wait, I was an outcast for all other reasons, too.

        There was something similar to dodgeball in school, I so disliked it. I didn't understand why one would want to hurt someone by hitting them as hard as possible.
        The other children didn't want to play badminton with me because I kept throwing them impossible to hit shuttles. I never understood. Hitting a shuttle was simple.

        @benroyce

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        #66

        @pascaline @benroyce also sports were gendered - boys had to play rugby, football and sometimes hockey. Only the girls could play tennis which I wanted to play. And I wasn't good at swimming - again I was abandoned cos I didn't progress fast enough and left to the shallow end.

        There was no choice, and I didn't like team sports.

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @admin

          the usa is an fptp voting system

          there can only ever be 2 parties. it's not corruption (corruption exists, but it's not the reason). it's just math:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

          to get viable 3rd parties we need a new voting system, like ranked choice. then you can vote your conscience free and clear and not worry about dreary strategy

          ranked choice is creeping in in places

          but if you vote 3rd party *before* we get that you divide the left vote and help MAGA win

          you can't vote 3rd party

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          #67

          @benroyce

          I don't agree on the necessity of Ranked Choice.

          In the Presidential elections, the candidates with the most electoral votes wins.

          It doesn't matter if there are 2 or 20 parties.

          The system was set up before the "two parties" even existed. The first few elections were party-free; candidates published what they stood for, and people voted based on their wishes.

          If you vote third party, it's because you don't agree with the left or the right, or their candidates, and that's all.

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox

            but what is the point of this comment in your mind

            because when you act like trump's malice is unstoppable, you're saying the vote is meaningless. therefore people won't vote, therefore trump gets what he wants

            you're wrong on the facts of how the vote happens in the USA: it's controlled by the states, not trump

            and you're wrong on the attitude, you're presenting a fallacious rationale that there's no use in voting

            the only effect is you are helping trump

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            #68

            @benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox Hitler wasn't unstoppable, so neither is Trump or Putin

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            • tuban_muzuru@beige.partyT tuban_muzuru@beige.party

              @benroyce

              I sure wish I was as similarly convinced of the evil of the American public. Yeah, when our leaders run amok, the thing which will convince those rogue elephants of their evil ways is to damage ordinary people who didn't do anything to anyone, just trying to run a business.

              That's "reality"

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              #69

              @tuban_muzuru

              yes. that is the reality. elections have consequences. and what let us down is nonvoters and MAGA. it is their fault. we will now suffer, because of them. and there is no way around that. i'm not saying it's good, i'm not saying it is bad. i'm saying it is inevitable

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              • admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.netA admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net

                @benroyce

                I don't agree on the necessity of Ranked Choice.

                In the Presidential elections, the candidates with the most electoral votes wins.

                It doesn't matter if there are 2 or 20 parties.

                The system was set up before the "two parties" even existed. The first few elections were party-free; candidates published what they stood for, and people voted based on their wishes.

                If you vote third party, it's because you don't agree with the left or the right, or their candidates, and that's all.

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                #70

                @admin

                no. you don't understand the topic

                first past the post means only two parties dominate. they cannibalize the platforms of smaller parties because of the math of the voting system. 3rd parties are unstable in fptp, and fade away

                3rd party's only value in our voting system is to divide the left, or the right, and help the other side win

                when you vote 3rd party, all you are doing is helping trump. this isn't your intention, but that is exactly what you are doing

                it's just math

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                • bazcook@mas.toB bazcook@mas.to

                  @benroyce @ikuturso @lynfox - much of the problem is that states *do* run the national elections. In many countries, the vote is handled by an arms-length federal agency. They set electoral borders (not just the state / provincial borders, but ensuring roughly the same number of voters are in each jurisdiction) and they are responsible for the count procedures. US states have a tendency to invent electoral borders to suit their Party of choice. And then there's your Electoral College...

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                  #71

                  @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox

                  yes, the us election system is completely fucked up

                  we need to fix it

                  how do we do that?

                  we show up and vote for candidates who will do that

                  we can't act like the problems are insurmountable and permanent, because that only helps the fascists

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets

                    #FIFA is holding an emergency meeting

                    Maybe they will give Agent Orange another pretty trophy? Maybe bigger, more gold... really sparkly? Will that fix the problem? (/s)

                    As an American: don't come here

                    Don't do business with the #USA

                    Until we clean this shit up. Mainly: we #vote #primaries #primaries2026 and get some real left candidates

                    https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/01/nearly-17000-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-amid-boycott/

                    #Boycott #BoycottUSA #Soccer #Football #Sports

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                    #72

                    @benroyce Omg I didn't know if these calls to boycott were all hot air... I hoped it would work. I love to hear this. ❤️ 🔥

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @tuban_muzuru

                      yes. that is the reality. elections have consequences. and what let us down is nonvoters and MAGA. it is their fault. we will now suffer, because of them. and there is no way around that. i'm not saying it's good, i'm not saying it is bad. i'm saying it is inevitable

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                      #73

                      @benroyce

                      No, it's policy. We decide to tell people not to come here, don't do business here - how will that get more people to vote for reasonable candidates?

                      It won't and we both know it.

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                      • radioclash@retro.pizzaR radioclash@retro.pizza

                        @pascaline @benroyce the weird thing?

                        At break, I was happy to play rounders - someone brought in a ball and bat...or football with a tennis ball with my mates - with one goal made of bags or coats!

                        But when it came to organised games, I was always picked last and the PE teachers would give me aggro.

                        So I wasn't against sports, or exercise but something horrible came in when it was made official. Competitiveness is ugly.

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                        #74

                        @radioclash

                        I understand 😊
                        I never liked running when it was a competition (although I was very fast), but I really enjoyed it alone. The competitiveness is sickening and I stay away from it anywhere it pops up.

                        I know what I'm good at and know my skills, and have been appreciated for them. But I don't like when it becomes competitive. Some people also seem to thrive on getting others down and criticise them just because they get a kick out of it. Just be kind, it's so important.

                        @benroyce

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @admin

                          100% agreed

                          but even if we don't get that, you still vote for the candidate that isn't an outright fascist. it's just self-preservation

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                          #75

                          @benroyce @admin

                          You would have to find one and they don't exist

                          Waiting for The fascists in both party to provide real candidates is literally the definition of insanity

                          We have tried this for decades and it does nothing but get worse...

                          Even a mildly left platform including stopping genocide would have ended this in 2024

                          But Bush in a skirt lost to cheetolini because instead of being that candidate which would have won easily, she punted and promised more fascism just with a smile and some fun

                          We have to throw them all out because they will not help us they have made it quite clear

                          Collaborator/crypto Democrats are helping the nazis just as much (if not more) at this point by doing not a single thing

                          Fuckwads secret police are now shooting people in the face and then saying she deserved it

                          When it was all on camera

                          You think that these people are going to get voted out?

                          It is that type of apathy that is the biggest factor in fascisms advance

                          Just waiting for the elections is a privileged position... It means that they aren't shooting at you yet

                          Right now it is the VAST majority of people doing absolutely nothing that is making it easy for fascism to move forward

                          We all need a personal game plan about what sacrifices we are willing to make, because if not it will get so much worse so much faster and when it's all over if we are still alive we will be one of the people that has to lie when they say they were against it the whole time

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @admin

                            no. you don't understand the topic

                            first past the post means only two parties dominate. they cannibalize the platforms of smaller parties because of the math of the voting system. 3rd parties are unstable in fptp, and fade away

                            3rd party's only value in our voting system is to divide the left, or the right, and help the other side win

                            when you vote 3rd party, all you are doing is helping trump. this isn't your intention, but that is exactly what you are doing

                            it's just math

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                            #76

                            @benroyce

                            If that's the case, then voting third party would have no effect on the other two parties.

                            I've been told that my vote for a third party helped Harris in the last election... I've been told that my third party vote helped Trump in the last election.

                            Both can't be true.. and if they are, then I need to be arrested and jailed for voter fraud, because that means I voted three times with one vote.

                            Third party voters are voting their conscience, as they should, and divides nothing. -c-

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @admin

                              no. you don't understand the topic

                              first past the post means only two parties dominate. they cannibalize the platforms of smaller parties because of the math of the voting system. 3rd parties are unstable in fptp, and fade away

                              3rd party's only value in our voting system is to divide the left, or the right, and help the other side win

                              when you vote 3rd party, all you are doing is helping trump. this isn't your intention, but that is exactly what you are doing

                              it's just math

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                              #77

                              @benroyce

                              The "divides the vote for X party" argument only works if you assume that the third party vote already belonged to one of the two major parties to begin with - and it doesn't.

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                              • tuban_muzuru@beige.partyT tuban_muzuru@beige.party

                                @benroyce

                                No, it's policy. We decide to tell people not to come here, don't do business here - how will that get more people to vote for reasonable candidates?

                                It won't and we both know it.

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                                #78

                                @benroyce

                                Y'know what might make a difference, roust out our gerontocratic Democratic leadership - now those folks have no grasp of reality. How about not-voting for them?

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                                • radioclash@retro.pizzaR radioclash@retro.pizza

                                  @pascaline @benroyce also sports were gendered - boys had to play rugby, football and sometimes hockey. Only the girls could play tennis which I wanted to play. And I wasn't good at swimming - again I was abandoned cos I didn't progress fast enough and left to the shallow end.

                                  There was no choice, and I didn't like team sports.

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                                  #79

                                  @radioclash

                                  Ha, the gendering is so stupid.
                                  The boys were creating very cool things with wood, metal, saws, and much more. All I had was a sewing machine (if I was 'lucky') but for the rest it was knitting and so on. Boring. I mean; it can be fun and I actually like it, but I really would have loved doing something the boys did. But alas, we were not allowed.

                                  I was very good at swimming (super fast) but I was afraid to dive. So, I preferred swimming alone to avoid the bullying.

                                  @benroyce

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                                  • tuban_muzuru@beige.partyT tuban_muzuru@beige.party

                                    @benroyce

                                    No, it's policy. We decide to tell people not to come here, don't do business here - how will that get more people to vote for reasonable candidates?

                                    It won't and we both know it.

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                                    #80

                                    @tuban_muzuru

                                    i don't think canadians are ceasing to come because i got on social media and said the usa sucks

                                    i do think canadians are ceasing to come because an orange turd got on social media and threatened to annex them

                                    and the question is why the orange turd is capable of doing that

                                    and the answer is because enough couldn't be bothered to vote, and enough are ignorants who love bigotry, that he is in power

                                    it's not anything we control anymore

                                    we had control, and we blew it

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                                    • tuban_muzuru@beige.partyT tuban_muzuru@beige.party

                                      @benroyce

                                      Y'know what might make a difference, roust out our gerontocratic Democratic leadership - now those folks have no grasp of reality. How about not-voting for them?

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                                      #81

                                      @tuban_muzuru

                                      the democrats fucking suck

                                      replace them with young leftists

                                      show up in the primaries

                                      but just not voting and having no transition means you're just handing more to maga. and even less will visit the driftless

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                                      • tuban_muzuru@beige.partyT tuban_muzuru@beige.party

                                        @benroyce

                                        Y'know what might make a difference, roust out our gerontocratic Democratic leadership - now those folks have no grasp of reality. How about not-voting for them?

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                                        @tuban_muzuru @benroyce

                                        I don’t think “reasonable leadership” is an option on the table anymore.

                                        There’s no going back to the “old normal” here in the New Normal™

                                        The options are the unreasonable vs the wicked.

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets

                                          #FIFA is holding an emergency meeting

                                          Maybe they will give Agent Orange another pretty trophy? Maybe bigger, more gold... really sparkly? Will that fix the problem? (/s)

                                          As an American: don't come here

                                          Don't do business with the #USA

                                          Until we clean this shit up. Mainly: we #vote #primaries #primaries2026 and get some real left candidates

                                          https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/01/nearly-17000-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-amid-boycott/

                                          #Boycott #BoycottUSA #Soccer #Football #Sports

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                                          @benroyce 🔥

                                          Somehow, FIFA is completely missed the fact that the World Cup in the United States poses a material health risk to anyone outside of the United States wanting to view it. And that toy prize they gave to Trump that didn’t help that did not help.

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