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  • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

    Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

    When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

    What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

    And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

    P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

    #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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    #48

    @rufustheduck Think of instances like little territories, and they all have telephone lines connecting them. Each territory can be a different size and has its own admin and mods, and those admins can choose to close the phone lines to other instances if they don't like how they're run.

    I haven't seen many issues on mastodon.social and I've seen no racism, but I do think some other instance owners/mods get upset because they have less influence, but also can't cut it off because of its size.

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    • caiocgo@social.vivaldi.netC caiocgo@social.vivaldi.net

      @DrJLecter @rufustheduck hey Rufus, our colleague James has a very strong point here. I was not aware of other instances blocking mastodon.social

      In my opinion blocking the largest instance sounds counterproductive. But hey, I am not an admin of a smaller instance and I am not aware of the issues related to being connected to mastodon.social.

      So there it is.

      For my part, I am really satisfied with social.vivaldi.net
      It is a nice neighborhood.

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      #49

      @caiocgo 😁😅 I love the Vivaldi browser and if I hadn't already joined a nice instance I probably would have gone to Vivaldi 😎 @rufustheduck

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      • zombie042@infosec.exchangeZ zombie042@infosec.exchange

        @jztusk @KerryMitchell @rufustheduck The live feed can be shut off by the server owner but it is usually a default option left on. I'm unsure if servers allow those without a local account to view their public feed as I have never tried.

        On my server's web interface it is under 'Live feeds' on the right-hand side and, as you noted, the usual URL is servername/public/local/

        Note that there is also public/remote/ (posts that come from other servers) and just plain public/ for both local and remote posts.

        Remote posts are -not- all posts from other servers though! It is only the posts someone on the server have subscribed to or been mentioned in and receive. So, for example, if someone on your server followed me then my public posts would show in your servers remote feeds (and it must be a public post, quiet public like this post do not hit the full public feeds).

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        #50

        @zombie042 @KerryMitchell @rufustheduck

        I'll have to try it out if/when I switch.

        And I hope most admins keep it on for the public. I can understand the security risks for those servers that aim for a bit more privacy, but for the people who say "you gotta pick a small server", I want to to at least take a peek at what the traffic there looks like before I put my account there.

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        • oregon_pacifist@retro-gaiden.comO oregon_pacifist@retro-gaiden.com

          @rufustheduck I just made a post regarding this topic 😄

          https://retro-gaiden.com/@Oregon_Pacifist/115967555145571432

          Essentially, you'll want to find instances that closely align with what you want your Fediverse experience to be. For me, I wanted to create a small corner where we focus on retro stuff, nostalgia, and wholesome content.

          There's nothing inherently wrong with mastodon.social. It's just that you're putting all of your eggs into a single basket which is not really what the Fediverse was designed for.

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          #51

          @Oregon_Pacifist @rufustheduck exactly, if everyone is on mastodon.social and if it goes down for whatever reason its just like being on a centralized platform, the point of decentralization is so there can be many instances of the fediverse run by different communities and individuals so that if .social goes down or closes up shop there will still be others instances out there catering to different communities and making up the ecosystem if the fediverse

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          • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

            Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

            When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

            What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

            And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

            P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

            #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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            #52

            @rufustheduck
            We can't answer that without knowing your interests.

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            • glitchghost@retro-gaiden.comG glitchghost@retro-gaiden.com

              @Oregon_Pacifist @rufustheduck exactly, if everyone is on mastodon.social and if it goes down for whatever reason its just like being on a centralized platform, the point of decentralization is so there can be many instances of the fediverse run by different communities and individuals so that if .social goes down or closes up shop there will still be others instances out there catering to different communities and making up the ecosystem if the fediverse

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              #53

              @Oregon_Pacifist @rufustheduck plus if you want to switch instances I think there are ways to export your data such as who you're following so that you can quickly follow back everyone you were following before when you start over on a new instance, not sure if there is an option for other stuff like posts but you'd have to check that

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              • bardmoss@autistics.lifeB bardmoss@autistics.life

                @rufustheduck
                We can't answer that without knowing your interests.

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                #54

                @rufustheduck
                For instance. I'm autistic, I have an account on autistics.life. I also am a Linux podcaster and have an account on hostux.social. some of my friends are non-binary or trans and have accounts at beige.party. Cat lovers are on meow.social.
                If you pick an instance that fits your interests, you are likely to more easily find people like you.

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                • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

                  Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

                  When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

                  What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

                  And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

                  P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

                  #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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                  #55

                  @rufustheduck if you’re happy with where you are and there’s not another server you’re looking at and going ‘I wish I was on that one’ then you probably don’t need to change.

                  The recommendations you’re getting to move are probably a mastodon culture thing, I’ll explain as much as I understand from just being around:

                  Likely people suggesting you move are referring to the mastodon.social being sort of infamous across mastodon. Mastodon.social keep their numbers up by leaving no-approval-needed signup open, so they are quite large - but their moderation is worse as a result. I want to clarify that their mods and admin are generally good, no shade on them because they do good work - but they have so many users and new joins that they cannot moderate as well as other servers (just by the numbers)

                  Usually servers are fairly strict about other servers they can connect with. If there’s a server with a lot of bots trying to scam or manipulate people, it usually gets blocked pretty quick. Mastodon.social is tolerated despite this, because of how many users they have (you wouldn’t want to cut off that many other users from your own users)

                  Is that a reason to move off the server? Not to me personally, but everybody is different. I think you should only move to another if you really want to be there instead (‘Moving to’ rather than ‘moving away from’)

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                  • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

                    Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

                    When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

                    What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

                    And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

                    P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

                    #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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                    #56

                    @rufustheduck I had a similar experience to you after joining mastodon.social a while back. At this point I will probably only move if:

                    1. I have actual real problems with mastodon.social (other than feeling like I'm on the lame normie server),

                    2. I find another community that feels like it's absolutely the right fit

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                    • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

                      Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

                      When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

                      What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

                      And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

                      P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

                      #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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                      #57

                      @rufustheduck I started a new one because my first one kept cutting out for days. I made a typo in my handle, so I had to begin again 😆

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                      • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

                        Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

                        When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

                        What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

                        And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

                        P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

                        #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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                        #58

                        @rufustheduck

                        Loads of great advice/info already so I'm just here to say that Max is fabulous 😺

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                        • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

                          Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

                          When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

                          What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

                          And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

                          P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

                          #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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                          #59

                          @rufustheduck I like Max.

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                          • anakin78z@mograph.socialA anakin78z@mograph.social

                            @rufustheduck A few things to look for in instances:

                            What is the character count limit? This can be vastly different across instances. If you post long form content, this could matter to you.

                            What instances do they block? If you're into some stuff that others aren't into, and more power to you, check if they block instances with that stuff. Also check their content posting policy.

                            How good are they about updating mastodon? Are they stuck on an old version? How active is the admin?

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                            #60

                            @anakin78z @rufustheduck

                            This was my major concern. Who does the admin for my chosen instance federate with. There are some nasty instances out there.

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                            • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

                              Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

                              When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

                              What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

                              And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

                              P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

                              #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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                              #61

                              @rufustheduck nice cat!

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                              • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

                                Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

                                When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

                                What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

                                And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

                                P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

                                #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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                                #62

                                @rufustheduck Meh, not much, except perhaps responsiveness. If you choose an instance with lots of users, it will go slower. If you're happy where you are, then just stay. I moved exactly because of responsiveness. Some people move to instances because of the topic. something like. hobbies.social knitters.social, ETC.

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                                • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

                                  Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

                                  When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

                                  What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

                                  And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

                                  P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

                                  #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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                                  #63

                                  @rufustheduck My opinion doesn't inherently matter, butt, [with 2 t's] there's nothing wrong with this default instance. It's the easiest option for those less technical. Other instances allow for more text, higher quality photos, longer videos, etc... At this point, it's your choice. The only thing to remember is this isn't a 'free' corporate sponsored service. So, if you do use a different instance, be sure to support them financially to keep that instance running. Good luck out here.

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                                  • drjlecter@beige.partyD drjlecter@beige.party

                                    @caiocgo *butts in* mastodon.social has a ton of problems exactly because it's the biggest server that is also barely moderated. It's twitter 3.0 and the source of many headaches for many admins because it's open sign-up and spouts endless russian bots, phishing attacks and spam accounts that rivals X. If you hear about spam and phishing problems on mastodon there's a 110% chance it comes from that instance. Rampant racism on top of everything. Many smaller instances decide to block it, restrict access to it or mute it. Which means a lot of the fediverse is shut out, which makes mastodon.social one of the least federated instances. It literally is a counter point to the whole idea of federating and the fediverse. Make of that what you will *sees myself out* @rufustheduck

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                                    #64

                                    @DrJLecter @caiocgo @rufustheduck
                                    ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
                                    T H I S !

                                    Joining "specialized instances" allows you to roughly pre-filter the communities you wanna interact with, so you end up in a kind of safe space.

                                    mastodon.social is indeed a Twitter x.0 since it provides the same unfiltered breeding ground for a**holes as Twitter back then (it's gotten worse in the age of X). The lack of proper moderation and the free sign up turned this place into an undesirable pit for me.

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                                    • mandy@cupoftea.socialM mandy@cupoftea.social

                                      @rufustheduck I also joined your instance and had nothing against it but moved to cupoftea.social because it aligns with my values of positivity and wholesomeness.

                                      So, if you find the local timeline meets your values, consider staying where you are. If not, ask your fedi-friends for instance recs that might align more closely to you

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                                      #65

                                      @mandy @rufustheduck This right here.

                                      I really understand the worries around mastodon.social getting too big, but at the same time, it _is_ a good place to start to get a big overview. Once you have the big overview for a while, if you spot an instance where you really like the vibe there in general (and you use the local timeline to find local things), _then_ consider moving.

                                      mastodon.social makes a fine generic first home here, and it may be where you stay for good and that's fine.

                                      But you may decide you want to be somewhere less generic, and you _can_, and that's fine too.

                                      Also, your cat has very good cat vibes and I like them.

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                                      • rufustheduck@mastodon.socialR rufustheduck@mastodon.social

                                        Hello #Mastodon - I need advice

                                        When I signed up 3 weeks ago, I joined a server without knowing what I was doing. Some have suggested that I might be better on another, but I am lost and confused

                                        What are the benefits of moving? What are the benefits of staying?

                                        And if I do move, where should I go? I know nothing - so your subjective recommendations & insights would be much appreciated

                                        P.S. Here’s a picture of my cat, Max, looking confused - like me

                                        #fediverse #cats #CatsOfMastodon

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                                        #66

                                        @rufustheduck Hi Rufus! If you do move (think of moving as re-pointing your followers to another account on another server... maybe some day it'll be more than that but that's essentially what it is, and your posts not moving over is a big part of the downside), take your time, and you can create alt accounts on other servers and spend time checking out the local scene before making the leap. Different people habitate other instances for different reasons. Having the local timeline (one of the links on the right in the web view) reflect your interests is one reason. I joined here (bsd.network) to keep up with things and people related to the BSD Unix like operating system. Also people I knew from before I came here invited me here. For some people, their server is part of their identity. For example, you might tech.lgbt if that was a really good summary of you as a person and you wanted to hype that about yourself. People join one server or another because they like the admin and/or moderators there. It can be a friendly community affair kind of like you a bunch of people are hanging out someone else's place, but virtual. You don't need to do that to find community... you're doing fine there 😉 But that's one reason other people do. You might join an instance because you agree with the moderation decisions it makes. If you're on an instance that blocks a lot of other instances and people related to something you're interested in, you might not ever notice that unless you get off of there. A lot of people don't agree with a lot of the moderation decisions mastodon.social makes. I don't. But that's an individual decision and there are instances with worse moderation (by my standards and likely yours too). Any instance is kind of part of a subnetwork of instances that tend to block similar other instances. Like 4D space, your view can change radically depending on where you're standing. mastodon.social has on and off been the source for a lot of spam. Being the "default" instance, some other instances also just cloister themselves from it, preferring to interact with people who likewise took efforts to diversify...

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                                        • scrottie@bsd.networkS scrottie@bsd.network

                                          @rufustheduck Hi Rufus! If you do move (think of moving as re-pointing your followers to another account on another server... maybe some day it'll be more than that but that's essentially what it is, and your posts not moving over is a big part of the downside), take your time, and you can create alt accounts on other servers and spend time checking out the local scene before making the leap. Different people habitate other instances for different reasons. Having the local timeline (one of the links on the right in the web view) reflect your interests is one reason. I joined here (bsd.network) to keep up with things and people related to the BSD Unix like operating system. Also people I knew from before I came here invited me here. For some people, their server is part of their identity. For example, you might tech.lgbt if that was a really good summary of you as a person and you wanted to hype that about yourself. People join one server or another because they like the admin and/or moderators there. It can be a friendly community affair kind of like you a bunch of people are hanging out someone else's place, but virtual. You don't need to do that to find community... you're doing fine there 😉 But that's one reason other people do. You might join an instance because you agree with the moderation decisions it makes. If you're on an instance that blocks a lot of other instances and people related to something you're interested in, you might not ever notice that unless you get off of there. A lot of people don't agree with a lot of the moderation decisions mastodon.social makes. I don't. But that's an individual decision and there are instances with worse moderation (by my standards and likely yours too). Any instance is kind of part of a subnetwork of instances that tend to block similar other instances. Like 4D space, your view can change radically depending on where you're standing. mastodon.social has on and off been the source for a lot of spam. Being the "default" instance, some other instances also just cloister themselves from it, preferring to interact with people who likewise took efforts to diversify...

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                                          #67

                                          @rufustheduck You might think of it as logging in to Everquest or something, if you've ever played any of those, and landing in the default town that all new users log in to. That's exciting and there's always a lot going on there and it's fine, but a lot of people eventually just get the itch to go somewhere else 😃
                                          Anyway, again, take your time. Pay attention to where other people you like are from. Check out the main webpage of interesting places and see what they have to say about themselves. Don't even think about moving to start with, just learn about different instances. Oh, and different server software is another reason. Other flavors of ActivityPub server have neat and useful features or just make life better for the moderators and admins and that in turn makes the community there better. If you get the itch, dabble with an alt somewhere. One thing at a time 😃

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