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Anyone who is ever surprised that a minority person does a bad thing should remember that no matter what culture you’re from, machismo and patriarchy comes first before yourself.

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  • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

    shit like this is why i can't trust anyone to have any good takes on foreign policy.

    the response to the protests in hk against china, on all sides, was universally BAD

    conservatives, with their anti china stuff, wtv, you expect it

    but some weird leftists with their O NO hk people hate china, which we love? MUST BE CIA

    fuck off

    on all sides, just dehumanizing and condescending beliefs. that the real people whose lives you believe you can argue about.. don't have actual beliefs of their own?

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    #8

    @skinnylatte The "Everything is a CIA operation" people really get on my tits. So White...

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    • vfrmedia@social.tchncs.deV vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de

      @skinnylatte I've had folk block me and claim I was a racist (and originally even that I was a white German!) because I pointed out that ethnic minority groups in Britain (one of which I am clearly a member of and its made obvious by my profile and toots over the years!) often have big problems with machismo, patriarchy and theocracy

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      #9

      @vfrmedia @skinnylatte Bigots, idiots, and assholes come in all identities, and bad ideas come from people of every identity. But the white guilt of many nuance-allergic liberal or leftist ideologues produces a soft bigotry of seeing other races as categorically innocent.

      Among other things, this reveals that they still see individuals as tokens of the presumptively homogeneous racial categories from which they're sampled. To them, you're either a member of the bad race, or a member of a good race, but in the latter case, you're definitely not a distinct individual, who makes different moral decisions than another person of the same race.

      Either you're a Rattler, or you're an Eagle.

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      • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

        shit like this is why i can't trust anyone to have any good takes on foreign policy.

        the response to the protests in hk against china, on all sides, was universally BAD

        conservatives, with their anti china stuff, wtv, you expect it

        but some weird leftists with their O NO hk people hate china, which we love? MUST BE CIA

        fuck off

        on all sides, just dehumanizing and condescending beliefs. that the real people whose lives you believe you can argue about.. don't have actual beliefs of their own?

        skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #10

        The other angle that infuriates me: if you can’t even reliably expect your own older relatives to not be assholes, why do you expect other people to?

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        • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

          The other angle that infuriates me: if you can’t even reliably expect your own older relatives to not be assholes, why do you expect other people to?

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          #11

          @skinnylatte or my own self, for that matter.

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          • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

            Anyone who is ever surprised that a minority person does a bad thing should remember that no matter what culture you’re from, machismo and patriarchy comes first before yourself.

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            #12

            @skinnylatte thisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!

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            • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

              It is also an infuriating position to take: that some liberals seem to believe minorities can’t have terrible political opinions all on our own. We must be bamboozled by others. No, most of us come from cultures with our own awful terrible ideas. Some of our cultures even originated those terrible ideas! You don’t own terrible! Is it good for anyone? No. But maybe worry about why your own racist uncles are the way they are and let people deal with their own shit

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              #13

              @skinnylatte I learned a lot from this issue of Funambulist.

              https://thefunambulist.net/magazine/asian-imperialisms

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              • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                The other angle that infuriates me: if you can’t even reliably expect your own older relatives to not be assholes, why do you expect other people to?

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                #14

                @skinnylatte

                "What do [minority] people think, [minority talking head]?" is one of the most liberal phrases in the English language.

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                • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                  shit like this is why i can't trust anyone to have any good takes on foreign policy.

                  the response to the protests in hk against china, on all sides, was universally BAD

                  conservatives, with their anti china stuff, wtv, you expect it

                  but some weird leftists with their O NO hk people hate china, which we love? MUST BE CIA

                  fuck off

                  on all sides, just dehumanizing and condescending beliefs. that the real people whose lives you believe you can argue about.. don't have actual beliefs of their own?

                  emma@orbital.horseE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #15

                  @skinnylatte OMG the fucking tankies defending the Iranian Clergy in a Discord I am in a couple of weeks ago.

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                  • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                    The other angle that infuriates me: if you can’t even reliably expect your own older relatives to not be assholes, why do you expect other people to?

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                    #16

                    @skinnylatte OOF, as a Filipinx American, this hits hard. Misogyny, patriarchy, Roman Catholicism, and Confucian, Hindu, and Muslim influence, too, along with rampant corruption, magical thinking, homo/transphobia, and authoritarian tendencies. Mostly thanks to colonialism, but with little desire to change.

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                    • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                      Anyone who is ever surprised that a minority person does a bad thing should remember that no matter what culture you’re from, machismo and patriarchy comes first before yourself.

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                      #17

                      @skinnylatte I keep thinking about the Kapos in Nazi concentration camps.

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                      • carrideen@c18.masto.hostC carrideen@c18.masto.host

                        @skinnylatte I remember after the 2024 election there was all this shocked liberal outrage that many Muslim immigrants and Caribbean/LA immigrants and SE Asian immigrants voted for Trump, just all these "leopards eating faces" memes. And this is how Democrats lose, by never asking *why* these groups of immigrants don't see themselves represented by the platform and messaging. Mamdani asking people in the streets was not a gimmick or a gotcha. People aren't stupid. They disagree about stuff.

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                        #18

                        @skinnylatte @carrideen

                        Often, it's unverified assumptions that get us into trouble whether it's politics or personal relationships.

                        We're constantly having to relearn how to communicate and to put in the time in order to improve any relationship.

                        You've made some good points.

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                        • emma@orbital.horseE emma@orbital.horse

                          @skinnylatte OMG the fucking tankies defending the Iranian Clergy in a Discord I am in a couple of weeks ago.

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                          #19

                          @skinnylatte @emma As someone who works at an Iranian Studies institute (though is actually a Caucasiologist) yes terrible western takes on the region and what its people are allowed or not allowed to thinknor get right or wrong are I think slowly melting my brain into sad gloop over time

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                          • jubalbarca@scholar.socialJ jubalbarca@scholar.social

                            @skinnylatte @emma As someone who works at an Iranian Studies institute (though is actually a Caucasiologist) yes terrible western takes on the region and what its people are allowed or not allowed to thinknor get right or wrong are I think slowly melting my brain into sad gloop over time

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                            #20

                            @JubalBarca @skinnylatte I had a tankie yelling at someone saying the regime had every right to murder thousands on the streets because they were all western agents. The same week that Goode was shot in the face by an evangelical christian in Mpls.

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