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Okay I'm a teacher so let me explain in simple terms what happens the second the US invades Greenland:

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  • lana@beige.partyL This user is from outside of this forum
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    Okay I'm a teacher so let me explain in simple terms what happens the second the US invades Greenland:

    1. NATO dissolves.
    This would literally be a founding member of NATO invading another member nation. This would be a gross violation of one of our longest held treaties in our history. NATO as it exists, would not, and could not, survive.

    2. Instant war.
    This triggers the defense clause of the post-WW2 agreement, a clause specifically written to trigger if this exact thing were to ever happen. We are instantly at war with (at bare minimum!) the other 11 founding nations: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, and the UK.

    3. Financial ruin.
    The EU is the largest holder of US foreign debt and it isn't even close. With every country now left defending itself, most of the EU decides that loaning money to a nation currently at war with them is a bad idea. They call in the debts, stop extending us credit, and within a week every US based business from Amazon to Walmart experiences an extinction level event.

    4. We never, ever recover from this.
    There is absolutely no way on God's green earth any nation ever trusts us ever again after this. How the fuck could they? Even if we get rid of Trump, even if we get rid of elected Republicans, even if we get rid of MAGA as an ideology itself, all we have proven in the end is that our friendship is capricious and can't be relied on because it could just as easily flip flop in another four years.

    5. This isn't even including long term effects.
    This is literally just what happens the very moment we send American troops to invade Denmark soil. We lose. That's what happens. We lose forever.

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    • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

      Okay I'm a teacher so let me explain in simple terms what happens the second the US invades Greenland:

      1. NATO dissolves.
      This would literally be a founding member of NATO invading another member nation. This would be a gross violation of one of our longest held treaties in our history. NATO as it exists, would not, and could not, survive.

      2. Instant war.
      This triggers the defense clause of the post-WW2 agreement, a clause specifically written to trigger if this exact thing were to ever happen. We are instantly at war with (at bare minimum!) the other 11 founding nations: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, and the UK.

      3. Financial ruin.
      The EU is the largest holder of US foreign debt and it isn't even close. With every country now left defending itself, most of the EU decides that loaning money to a nation currently at war with them is a bad idea. They call in the debts, stop extending us credit, and within a week every US based business from Amazon to Walmart experiences an extinction level event.

      4. We never, ever recover from this.
      There is absolutely no way on God's green earth any nation ever trusts us ever again after this. How the fuck could they? Even if we get rid of Trump, even if we get rid of elected Republicans, even if we get rid of MAGA as an ideology itself, all we have proven in the end is that our friendship is capricious and can't be relied on because it could just as easily flip flop in another four years.

      5. This isn't even including long term effects.
      This is literally just what happens the very moment we send American troops to invade Denmark soil. We lose. That's what happens. We lose forever.

      ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @Lana @aral One thing missing in 2 is that the EU also has a mutual defence clause, so you can add all the missing eu members to that minimum list.

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      • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

        @Lana @aral One thing missing in 2 is that the EU also has a mutual defence clause, so you can add all the missing eu members to that minimum list.

        vampirdaddy@chaos.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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        @ainmosni @Lana @aral
        Greenland unfortunately has decided to not being an EU nor Denmark member state, thus EU contract does not directly apply.

        But attacking EU military probably would trigger the EU contract.

        Now guess why many EU nations have sent military personnel to Greenland in the last few days, even if sometimes just a handful of people.

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        • vampirdaddy@chaos.socialV vampirdaddy@chaos.social

          @ainmosni @Lana @aral
          Greenland unfortunately has decided to not being an EU nor Denmark member state, thus EU contract does not directly apply.

          But attacking EU military probably would trigger the EU contract.

          Now guess why many EU nations have sent military personnel to Greenland in the last few days, even if sometimes just a handful of people.

          lana@beige.partyL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @vampirdaddy @ainmosni @aral Denmark is a member state. If the UK invaded Hawaii the situation would be the same.

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          • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

            @vampirdaddy @ainmosni @aral Denmark is a member state. If the UK invaded Hawaii the situation would be the same.

            vampirdaddy@chaos.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Lana @ainmosni @aral
            While DK is a member state, the autonomous territory of Greenland is not, even if it is partly administrated by DK (especially international relations and military), and is a member of the danish kingdom.

            It is strongly associated and tightly (though not completely) integrated with the EU - but is not a member.

            But military forces are DKs, so a US attack will hit DK forces and thus military of an EU member.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Greenlandic_European_Communities_membership_referendum

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            • vampirdaddy@chaos.socialV vampirdaddy@chaos.social

              @Lana @ainmosni @aral
              While DK is a member state, the autonomous territory of Greenland is not, even if it is partly administrated by DK (especially international relations and military), and is a member of the danish kingdom.

              It is strongly associated and tightly (though not completely) integrated with the EU - but is not a member.

              But military forces are DKs, so a US attack will hit DK forces and thus military of an EU member.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Greenlandic_European_Communities_membership_referendum

              vampirdaddy@chaos.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Lana @ainmosni @aral
              And while Greenland is a fiercly autonomous territory,it still is a part of the state of DK.

              The EU spokesperson for external affairs announced on friday, that an attack on Greenland and thus danish (even if autonomous and nonmember) territory will trigger par.42 of the EU treaty demanding instantaneous military support from all EU states.

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