We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community Discord.
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@Gargron I get that Discord has a major pedophile problem, but privacy is also important.
@amazing_helenab@mastodon.social This is why people should look at moving, why should our privacy be taken away just because of some countries like the UK with there Online Safety Act removing our Privacy for data collecting hidden as protecting children
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@Gargron Edit: I didn't realize that Zulip is Open-Source. So, corporate, maybe, but not closed source.
Original Toot :
Isn't there a non-corporate solution?
There's more than a little unfortunate irony in the Mastodon team jumping ship from Discord to another corporate provider that just hasn't entered its enshitification phase yet.
@apLundell does corporate mean the project is controlled by a company
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community Discord. The harder part will be untangling my gaming communities from this…
@Gargron I only have Discord accounts bc starting in 2020 seniors in my youth group used one to host engagement during lock down. Six years later they are off to college or work and those who came after have not mentioned Discord at all. So is seems Discord is (fill in the blank) for old people anyway.
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@Gargron Zulip doesn’t have voice right? What are you using as an alternative for that?
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@Gargron Zulip doesn’t have voice right? What are you using as an alternative for that?
@mischa it uses jitsi by default
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community Discord. The harder part will be untangling my gaming communities from this…
@Gargron Discord is just the canary in the coal mine. Soon, all Internet communities will face a choice - either ID everyone or be banned in many countries. Internet anonymity is dead. All because of a couple of despotic regimes that want to be the parents of our children and want to have full control and surveillance over communities that might have "subversive" (i.e., antigovernmental) thoughts. Sometimes I'm glad that I won't live long enough to see it accomplished...
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community Discord. The harder part will be untangling my gaming communities from this…
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@kerfuffle @Gargron Good question - and if the latter, how easy is it to export everything to a sovereign solution down the line?
@csolisr
I have not done this myself, but here are docs
https://zulip.com/help/cloud-to-self-hosting
@Gargron @kerfuffle -
I don't understand why all centralized services suddenly insist on actually verifying their users' age for real. What was wrong with asking for a birth date or even just presenting a "yes I'm 18 or older" button? NSFW websites somehow still do just fine with that, but Discord, which is much less "risky" in comparison, somehow needs real verification?
Gosh I miss the old internet.
@grishka@friends.grishka.me @Gargron@mastodon.social It all started with the UK's Online Safety Act, where we now ID for porn sites, the UK Gov has since pushed for IDing on these platforms and it's being pushed out worldwide as it's not cost effective for just one country.
It's stupid and is one of the reasons I'm finding alternatives for friends -
@Gargron yeah, gonna be tricky to move those. especially with how convenient to use the voice channels are.
@noodlejetski @Gargron this is relevant to add here, WRT "QOS rules":
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@darwinwoodka @grishka @Gargron I'm with you in spirit here, but I seriously doubt this, considering the actual teens I know, and how "path of least resistance" they are. Alas, no #ElbowsUp for these heel-dragging #Canadian teens I know! I'll believe it when I see it.
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@kerfuffle @Gargron Good question - and if the latter, how easy is it to export everything to a sovereign solution down the line?
@csolisr @Gargron @kerfuffle a highly relevant question
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@grishka@friends.grishka.me @Gargron@mastodon.social It all started with the UK's Online Safety Act, where we now ID for porn sites, the UK Gov has since pushed for IDing on these platforms and it's being pushed out worldwide as it's not cost effective for just one country.
It's stupid and is one of the reasons I'm finding alternatives for friendsSam, so what happens if a porn site doesn't have any presence (e.g. a legal entity) in the UK, but doesn't ask for IDs either?
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@Gargron matrix has been a bit of a challenge with voice chat in the past. But for text chat is great. There is also Stoat Chat which does have wonderful group chat system
In place. Lastly if your a happy tinkerer than you an look into the many discord clone projects out there and build the instance locally from the many GitHub repos@64bithero @Gargron does Stoat have voice chat? I can’t find anything about that, so I assume it doesn’t
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@Gargron matrix has been a bit of a challenge with voice chat in the past. But for text chat is great. There is also Stoat Chat which does have wonderful group chat system
In place. Lastly if your a happy tinkerer than you an look into the many discord clone projects out there and build the instance locally from the many GitHub repos -
@64bithero @Gargron does Stoat have voice chat? I can’t find anything about that, so I assume it doesn’t
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@64bithero @Gargron oooh that’s tempting. I tried it a while back when it was still Revolt, but they didn’t have voice chat yet. I’ll have to try it again after work today
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Sam, so what happens if a porn site doesn't have any presence (e.g. a legal entity) in the UK, but doesn't ask for IDs either?
@grishka@friends.grishka.me @Gargron@mastodon.social If they refuse to ID people they can get 'fines of up to £18 million or 10% of qualifying worldwide revenue' whichever is bigger.
It's sadly not just porn sites but also self-help sites, subreddits, communities and all sorts now. -
RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon, and I think there are plans to do the same for our Patreon community Discord. The harder part will be untangling my gaming communities from this…
@Gargron "Well find a way to bring users back..." as a closing statement, feels so gross...
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@grishka@friends.grishka.me @Gargron@mastodon.social If they refuse to ID people they can get 'fines of up to £18 million or 10% of qualifying worldwide revenue' whichever is bigger.
It's sadly not just porn sites but also self-help sites, subreddits, communities and all sorts now.Sam, yeah but how could that be enforced against a foreign entity? (maybe it's a stupid question, idk)
