I've heard many liberals say things along the lines of "ICE aren't real police" this often goes hand in hand with "ICE is poorly trained."
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I've heard many liberals say things along the lines of "ICE aren't real police" this often goes hand in hand with "ICE is poorly trained."
This can feel like a safe bit of middle ground. You aren't one of those radical crazies who are always so critical of the police. It's not that what they are trying to do is wrong, no, it's *how* they are going about doing it.
But, the ICE officers who have killed have been long-time veterans. It's not about "training."
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I've heard many liberals say things along the lines of "ICE aren't real police" this often goes hand in hand with "ICE is poorly trained."
This can feel like a safe bit of middle ground. You aren't one of those radical crazies who are always so critical of the police. It's not that what they are trying to do is wrong, no, it's *how* they are going about doing it.
But, the ICE officers who have killed have been long-time veterans. It's not about "training."
@futurebird tbf American discourse *IS* disproportionally critical of the sheer idea of the police and very often goes "fuck cops" instead of "reform the police" despite not being anarchist.
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I've heard many liberals say things along the lines of "ICE aren't real police" this often goes hand in hand with "ICE is poorly trained."
This can feel like a safe bit of middle ground. You aren't one of those radical crazies who are always so critical of the police. It's not that what they are trying to do is wrong, no, it's *how* they are going about doing it.
But, the ICE officers who have killed have been long-time veterans. It's not about "training."
@futurebird people need to ask if what they really want is better trained Immigration police, so they can more clinically target people who happen to "look like" immigrants, remove them from their homes and workplaces, separate them from their families, put them in crowded prisons, and deport them, sometimes to places they've never even been. And some of those will be children.
If that's what someone wants, that someone is a fascist, whether they're a "nice" one or not.
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I've heard many liberals say things along the lines of "ICE aren't real police" this often goes hand in hand with "ICE is poorly trained."
This can feel like a safe bit of middle ground. You aren't one of those radical crazies who are always so critical of the police. It's not that what they are trying to do is wrong, no, it's *how* they are going about doing it.
But, the ICE officers who have killed have been long-time veterans. It's not about "training."
There is no "right way" to grab a person from their home and send them out of the country or to a detention camp just to keep the numbers up.
Either you think there are a class of people who ought to be treated the way cops often treat Black people, the way that ICE treats protestors and anyone who seems "foreign" and this violence is "unfortunate" but somehow pragmatic for your safety and fear... OR ?
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There is no "right way" to grab a person from their home and send them out of the country or to a detention camp just to keep the numbers up.
Either you think there are a class of people who ought to be treated the way cops often treat Black people, the way that ICE treats protestors and anyone who seems "foreign" and this violence is "unfortunate" but somehow pragmatic for your safety and fear... OR ?
... or you recognize that state violence is still state violence when the person being beaten doesn't share your politics or has an accent.
Do we *all* have rights or nah?
If you think everyone ought to have the same rights. That police shouldn't shove a woman to the ground because she's yelling or shoot a man for standing "in the way" if you can see these things are wrong, you are now "one of those crazies who don't like the police."
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... or you recognize that state violence is still state violence when the person being beaten doesn't share your politics or has an accent.
Do we *all* have rights or nah?
If you think everyone ought to have the same rights. That police shouldn't shove a woman to the ground because she's yelling or shoot a man for standing "in the way" if you can see these things are wrong, you are now "one of those crazies who don't like the police."
If you think there are "circumstances" that could justify police doing such things?
Well, I sincerely hope it never you or your loved ones who find themselves on the wrong side of their batons and guns. And I mean that. Because I'm not kidding about that "everyone" part of this discussion.
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