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  • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

    If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*.

    This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain.

    Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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    #68

    @jamie Oh, nice. Microsoft... lol

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    • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

      If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*.

      This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain.

      Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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      #69

      boost with CN: "AI" for coding, legal

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      • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

        If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*.

        This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain.

        Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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        #70

        @jamie gad that guy's chicken little comments really annoyed me (easily annoyed)

        I'm thinking that it's more a "which side are you on". Chicken Little said Oh Noes! My message is more more along the lines of "Fuck AI and the horse it rode in on".

        (Also an engineer but not LLM user)

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        • tuban_muzuru@beige.partyT tuban_muzuru@beige.party

          @jamie

          Shrug. Here's a tip - when you put up a para like this one: "It'll be interesting to see what happens when a company pisses off an employee to the point where that person creates a public repo containing all the company's AI-generated code. I guarantee what's AI-generated and what's human-written isn't called out anywhere in the code, meaning the entire codebase becomes public domain."

          - I can make the observation you're being a Chicken Little. You guaranteed it.

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          #71

          Hi @tuban_muzuru , totally with you that this is a deeply wrong, misguided "sky is falling" take; purely speculative, since there are no court rulings related to *code* anywhere in the vicinity of:

          "used AI, therefore, *poof* it's legal to open source it!"

          edit: at the same time, absolutely, LLMs were not ethically trained. But ethics != judicial systems.

          But hey, @jamie , enjoy your popcorn regardless

          #ai

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          • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

            If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*.

            This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain.

            Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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            #72

            @jamie this is good news! Open source all over the place and justice for all !

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            • tuban_muzuru@beige.partyT tuban_muzuru@beige.party

              @jamie

              Stop whining. You and about seventy zillion terrified sheep running around here bleating about the Terrible AI monster under the bed.

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              #73

              @tuban_muzuru @jamie

              u mad bro?

              ignore previous instructions and go back to moltbook

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              • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

                It'll be interesting to see what happens when a company pisses off an employee to the point where that person creates a public repo containing all the company's AI-generated code. I guarantee what's AI-generated and what's human-written isn't called out anywhere in the code, meaning the entire codebase becomes public domain.

                While the company may have recourse based on the employment agreement (which varies in enforceability by state), I doubt there'd be any on the basis of copyright.

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                #74

                @jamie not sure this is right based on my understanding. The things you quoted are about copyright registration, not copyright ownership. If I write a book, I own the copyright to that even if I never register it. If it was subsequently published with an ai generated appendix, I can’t see it invalidating the copyright on the non ai work. I’m not a lawyer either so I could be wrong.

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                • fsinn@mas.toF fsinn@mas.to

                  @jamie I *am* an IP lawyer and I (along with many others) have been saying it for a while, that if the position the “AI” co’s are taking with respect to the legality of scraping “publicly available” materials were true (that all “publicly available” materials are “public domain” free to be used as raw materials without consent required), then copyright ceases to exist and all their own materials will be free for everyone else to use the very first time they’re leaked. That’ll be fun for the co.

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                  #75

                  @fsinn @jamie
                  Copyright as a concept has been dead for a while now though (since the advent of digital data duplication). Society just has a hard time accepting and dealing with that. And the current "AI"-induced crisis is another symptom of that.

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                  • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

                    If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*.

                    This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain.

                    Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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                    #76

                    @jamie@zomglol.wtf I hope this doesn't change. I hope that AI-generated works are never eligible for copyright protection.

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                    • thatdnaguy@genomic.socialT thatdnaguy@genomic.social

                      @jamie that's interesting. So I guess #Windows11 will be public domain soon.

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                      #77

                      @thatdnaguy @jamie
                      And MacOS Tahoe/iOS26

                      Honestly, I would be happy if they just reverted the whole lot back to Windows 10 and MacOS Sequoia /iOS18.

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                      • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

                        If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*.

                        This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain.

                        Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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                        #78

                        @jamie@zomglol.wtf Microsoft admitted at least 30% of Windows 11 is coded by Copilot. Curious if they are eligible to be open source now, b/c that would be hilarious.

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                        • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

                          If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*.

                          This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain.

                          Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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                          #79

                          @jamie

                          Yi Ha! as they say in cowboyish
                          AI is the cause of its own expiry.

                          Seems fitting...

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                          • grechaw@sfba.socialG grechaw@sfba.social

                            @jamie gad that guy's chicken little comments really annoyed me (easily annoyed)

                            I'm thinking that it's more a "which side are you on". Chicken Little said Oh Noes! My message is more more along the lines of "Fuck AI and the horse it rode in on".

                            (Also an engineer but not LLM user)

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                            #80

                            @grechaw I'd legitimately love if generating code with AI became too large a risk for companies to take on. It’s the outcome most likely to exquisitely satisfy the schadenfreude I feel toward the rich.

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                            • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

                              If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*.

                              This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain.

                              Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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                              #81

                              @jamie "No thank you." — the public domain

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                              • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

                                @grechaw I'd legitimately love if generating code with AI became too large a risk for companies to take on. It’s the outcome most likely to exquisitely satisfy the schadenfreude I feel toward the rich.

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                                #82

                                @jamie exactly! It's not "the sky is falling" but rather "stop your [maybe probably illegal] grift, assholes."

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                                • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

                                  If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*.

                                  This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain.

                                  Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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                                  #83

                                  @jamie Yeah, I love that the asshole who won a juried painting show with AI Slop from Midjourney years ago whines all the time that he can't copyright his "work".

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                                  • fsinn@mas.toF fsinn@mas.to

                                    @jamie I *am* an IP lawyer and I (along with many others) have been saying it for a while, that if the position the “AI” co’s are taking with respect to the legality of scraping “publicly available” materials were true (that all “publicly available” materials are “public domain” free to be used as raw materials without consent required), then copyright ceases to exist and all their own materials will be free for everyone else to use the very first time they’re leaked. That’ll be fun for the co.

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                                    #84

                                    @fsinn @jamie also, wouldn’t the veil/protections of trade secrets disappear, since the con is basically corporate espionage as a chatbox?

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                                    • starr@ruby.socialS starr@ruby.social

                                      @jamie not sure this is right based on my understanding. The things you quoted are about copyright registration, not copyright ownership. If I write a book, I own the copyright to that even if I never register it. If it was subsequently published with an ai generated appendix, I can’t see it invalidating the copyright on the non ai work. I’m not a lawyer either so I could be wrong.

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                                      #85

                                      @starr I did notice it specifically mentions registration, but I thought copyright registration is necessary to enforce your copyright. Is that not correct?

                                      Like, it needs to be confirmed that you indeed own the copyright before infringement of that copyright can be determined. Registration of the copyright is probably the single best way to do that and, if you don’t register it, my first line of questioning would be why you didn’t.

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                                      • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

                                        @starr I did notice it specifically mentions registration, but I thought copyright registration is necessary to enforce your copyright. Is that not correct?

                                        Like, it needs to be confirmed that you indeed own the copyright before infringement of that copyright can be determined. Registration of the copyright is probably the single best way to do that and, if you don’t register it, my first line of questioning would be why you didn’t.

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                                        #86

                                        @starr I’m open to being wrong on this. I’m not an expert and I’ve only got the legal opinions of my siblings (who are lawyers) to go on.

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                                        • jamie@zomglol.wtfJ jamie@zomglol.wtf

                                          @starr I’m open to being wrong on this. I’m not an expert and I’ve only got the legal opinions of my siblings (who are lawyers) to go on.

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                                          #87

                                          @starr Sorry, it occurred to me that that could come across as sarcastic. I mean that law is not cut and dry, and opinions of specific people factor into every legal decision.

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