Dear Europe,
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@Merovius Yes, divesting from the U.S., and sanctioning our officials, are definitely part of getting your house in order.
A lot of the fascism is coming from the United States. But there is huge interchange among the U.S. and the British and Hungarian fascists in particular. It's not entirely one-way, and it isn't clear to me the coup in the U.S. would have worked without the international assist.
@alexwild I won’t claim to understand how US politics developed. But my impression is that the current wave of democratic backsliding started around 2010, on the back of the Financial Crisis. And the tea party was then as well - and the US has been on this path before even then.
And my impression has never been, that most USians give much of a shit about EU politics.Dunno. As I said we are aware and worried. But it sounds like you think US authoritarianism is new? Because I don’t think it is.
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@dianshuo @Merovius that is precisely the attitude that will lead to fascists taking over your countries.
I am not trying to absolve Americans. I am trying to sound an alarm as I watch too many of you about to step on your own rake. The more you insist on interpreting these events through the lens of traditional geopolitics, the more blind you are to your own vulnerabilities.
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Dear Europe,
I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.
@alexwild I agree the US is massively fucked up right now, but the EU isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Come on!
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No, I don't hang out with AfD types, why would I?
My impression was that AfD was not concentrating on christianity the way MAGA does, but maybe I missed something? I'm sure I've got Germans in my timeline, maybe they can elaborate?
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@dianshuo @Merovius that is precisely the attitude that will lead to fascists taking over your countries.
I am not trying to absolve Americans. I am trying to sound an alarm as I watch too many of you about to step on your own rake. The more you insist on interpreting these events through the lens of traditional geopolitics, the more blind you are to your own vulnerabilities.
@alexwild @dianshuo TBF I don’t think social media conveys a representative image of how we view this. Most people I know have been worried about our vulnerability for at least 10 years (Brexit and the election of DJT have been noticed here).
And it is a topic that has been dominating public discourse since the pandemic, pretty much.
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Dear Europe,
I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.
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@alexwild
Thanks for the warning, but my impression is that most people who are lucid enough to see the abysmal madness in the US also see the madness in their own countries.The main problem is the people who do not recognise stupidity anywhere.
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Dear Europe,
I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.
gross.
immigration to Sweden was already VERY restricted, too
https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-sees-drop-in-immigration-as-more-people-leave/a-69954145
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@alexwild borders are fascist
@mateitudor @alexwild Right; so what's the next step? Where are we going with this?
I'm fully on board with removing hard borders and decentralising power (while building and maintaining regional mutual-assistance networks). We need a plan to get there though, and I'm not a big enough thinker to map it out. Little help please?
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@alexwild In every western country.
This is an international attack of unprecedented scale and funding.
@robcinos @alexwild Yes. I'm reluctant to tag @Npars01 in again, not having even asked her, but... She does the most comprehensive rundown of the individual humans bankrolling this attempt to re-exert and solidify control over the masses by the few.
These are the people bending reality to their design. How do we stop it?
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@NatureMC @alexwild
Carney talks a good game. I even think he meant most of what he said. But at home he gutted the national climate change policy (prompting its architect to resign from Cabinet), is gutting the public service at the worst possible time. He is leaning hard into the Canadian petro-state, which in the end is a cog in the omnicidal machinery we're dealing with. He is putting in mechanisms that will allow the executive to circumvent established laws.@gueuledatmosphere @NatureMC @alexwild
He’s a money man… an ex banker… they’re his tribe.
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@alexwild I won’t claim to understand how US politics developed. But my impression is that the current wave of democratic backsliding started around 2010, on the back of the Financial Crisis. And the tea party was then as well - and the US has been on this path before even then.
And my impression has never been, that most USians give much of a shit about EU politics.Dunno. As I said we are aware and worried. But it sounds like you think US authoritarianism is new? Because I don’t think it is.
@Merovius
The biggest turning point here in the US was 9/11 and the patriot act. That was when a lot of rights were removed from citizens but I think it's been brewing since LBJ after JFK was assassinated.The thing about US authoritarianism is that for most of it's existence it grew inside of corporate America who, in pursuit of profits, infiltrated politics. Most didn't realize this and continued to support companies who did the wrong thing. The misunderstanding that we voted only in November and not every day with every dollar we spent was key... And sadly many still don't understand this.
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@Merovius
The biggest turning point here in the US was 9/11 and the patriot act. That was when a lot of rights were removed from citizens but I think it's been brewing since LBJ after JFK was assassinated.The thing about US authoritarianism is that for most of it's existence it grew inside of corporate America who, in pursuit of profits, infiltrated politics. Most didn't realize this and continued to support companies who did the wrong thing. The misunderstanding that we voted only in November and not every day with every dollar we spent was key... And sadly many still don't understand this.
@alexwild@bobkmertz @alexwild TBF as a German, I'm the last one to claim we aren't vulnerable and problematic. Like, we utterly failed to prosecute *a lot* of high-ranking Nazis and even today, a lot of the richest people in Germany got there on the back of WW2 slave labor.
Then again, this is also - at least partly - the fault of the US, which didn't want to prosecute industrialists, so as to not undermine capitalism in anticipation of the cold war…
But yeah, obviously we are far from innocent.
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@dianshuo @alexwild @Merovius Our bigger problem is our governments have outsourced their infrastructure to American companies, that are more-or-less openly complicit with, or controlling the selection of, the US government.
Before you suggest European companies would be better - don't. The problem is the private companies and wealth concentration.
They're already inside the perimeter. Time to secure and eradicate the big tech companies from the public sphere.
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Dear Europe,
I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.
@alexwild Lol. The reason we've been yelling at USAnians for two years is because we're already well practiced at shouting down fascism at home. You didn't listen and elected the psychotic tangerine toddler.
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@bobkmertz @alexwild TBF as a German, I'm the last one to claim we aren't vulnerable and problematic. Like, we utterly failed to prosecute *a lot* of high-ranking Nazis and even today, a lot of the richest people in Germany got there on the back of WW2 slave labor.
Then again, this is also - at least partly - the fault of the US, which didn't want to prosecute industrialists, so as to not undermine capitalism in anticipation of the cold war…
But yeah, obviously we are far from innocent.
@Merovius
There have been Nazis in the US for over a century... They had their meetings in fairly public forums in the 20s and 30s and there's no doubt they had their influence on government but I think the 60s when that began it's institutionalism into government.I'm not intending to point fingers or absolve any entity of responsibility. Just trying to share what I have seen and how I've interpreted our history from inside the US.
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I can't tell you enough how the "look at what those dumb Americans did to themselves" blinds you from what is happening to all the established institutions, and sends you down the path to further disintegration.
@alexwild We're not the first and we won't be the last.
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Dear Europe,
I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.
Das wissen wir in Europa! Da gibt es viele die sich für Migranten einsetzen Aber leider auch Nazis wie AfD, RN, FPÖ ...
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I can't tell you enough how the "look at what those dumb Americans did to themselves" blinds you from what is happening to all the established institutions, and sends you down the path to further disintegration.
@alexwild yes this is very true. And we are fighting, but it seems that many in Germany are not aware of the issue. They ignore it and conservative politicians even play with the thought to make a coalition with the AfD - the fascist party.
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No, I don't hang out with AfD types, why would I?
My impression was that AfD was not concentrating on christianity the way MAGA does, but maybe I missed something? I'm sure I've got Germans in my timeline, maybe they can elaborate?
